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submitted 8 months ago by Farmdude@lemmy.world to c/fuck_ai@lemmy.world

Ok, you had a moderately complex math problem you needed to solve. You gave the problem to 6 LLMS all paid versions. All 6 get the same numbers. Would you trust the answer?

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[-] Strider@lemmy.world 45 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

'AI' (llm) does not and can not calculate.

[-] 30p87@feddit.org 10 points 8 months ago

Well technically it could call a tool for real math

[-] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

The problem is, it can pretend it has called the external module.

[-] Strider@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Indeed, but the point is itself doesn't.

[-] Denjin@feddit.uk 28 points 8 months ago

The whole point of maths is that there's a formulaic approach to getting the answer. You go through a series of discrete steps and you get the answer. The steps will always be the same for the same problem and the answer will always be the same for the same inputs.

This is something already solved by computation, it doesn't need a generative AI token matching and learning algorithm to work out the answer to a problem. This isn't and shouldn't ever be the use case for a chat bot.

What you want is a calculator.

[-] RiverRabbits 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

All 6 answers will be wrong. If they are not wrong, then the correctness is purely coincidental and not sign of future correctness.

If you want to use technology to solve maths problems, use ~~wolfram-alpha~~ any open source maths software, like the ones linked in the reply by technocrit to this post, if you must. They are not LLMs and therefore can actually solve maths problems.

Also: this reads like a barely hidden AI booster post, OP. Why do you even post this?

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

use wolfram-alpha

TBH don't use this proprietary crap. Especially this one. Wolfram is a phony grifter.

Just learn Python or Julia or Sage or whatever. There are MANY open source options that are better than Wolfram.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_software_for_mathematics

[-] RiverRabbits 7 points 8 months ago

Oh, nice, I didn't know that more existed! Thanks for clarification, I'll adjust my post to point to your advice ☺️

[-] BCOVertigo@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

No, because they don't do math. If the LLM calls a script to do the math and just formats the input it might get accurate results consistently... but you just invented a machine to press calculator buttons for you at that point which is hilariously energy inefficient. This is unacceptable from a cost and reliability standpoint. If you're familiar with enterprise reliability metrics you'd weep at the thought of a multistage process where each step had a single 9 and no visibility to underlying model tuning that can change outputs in wildly unexpected ways.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 points 8 months ago

No. If they showed the work and I could repeat the steps myself and get the answer maybe, but I'd still be wary of some subtle wrong.

[-] JandroDelSol@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

here, let's try something.

3 + 6 = search history on the internet play with the devil and the other than the other than that I just got a new phone and I don't know what to do with the guys had to go to the store and I don't know what to do with the devil and the other than that I just want to be a gooner for the bit of a way to get a little busy but I don't know what to do with the guys had to do that but I don't think I can do it but I don't think I can do it but I don't want to be a gooner but I don't want to be a gooner but I don't want to be a gooner

I just tapped my phone's next word predictor. LLMs are a slightly more coherent version of that

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Why would I use an LLM and miss out on the fun of solving it myself?

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Would you trust the answer?

No because it's a crap shoot where the odds are intentionally obscured. That's real bad for math but it's perfect for the casino economy.

[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

Just use Wolfram Alpha

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Nope. If you have a math problem, have you tried Wolfram Alpha?

[-] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 months ago

I remember there being tricks to get statistically more accurate math, like "show your work", etc.

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