For a while there, this phrase was on stickers that people could put on their plates (IIRC). At some point, the city council and DMV got involved and just printed the motto/complaint right on the plates.
This is why I never supported felons losing their right to vote. If they've served their nickel, give them the vote back. Otherwise, if they get a job and put 30% of their paycheck to paying taxes, then they're being taxed without representation.
I hate to break it to you but you pay far more than 30% of your money in taxes.
You don't know that. They might be very rich.
True
I agree, but it's lesser to me than the means of disenfranchisement. If felons can't vote and using cannabis is a felony then the deck is actively stacked against changing that law. And it gets darker when things like sodomy are felonies and with laws like tough on crime laws or prison reform. Felons are the people most severely impacted by the law
Well you can also argue that due to the silly two party system no one (in the usa) is really represented. Hell its been forever since I can even remember ether party doing some representation (well maybe the Alaska rep selling out the rest of the nation for a bit of money? Maybe alaskens are dicks).
a capitalist state will always find a way to represent the interest of the burgeois, not the people.
esp. one like the US.
Hank Green has a good video about that. I thought I understood gerrymandering before, but I didn't fully appreciate all the implications until I watched that.
I like this one myself
Nah, that one just explains the mechanics of how it works. The video I linked is so good because it goes into the implications of it and explains how it is a fraud perpetrated against the populace that makes everything worse for nearly everyone, including the party perpetrating it.
Here's a link to the specific timestamp where he gets into that part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVdQjqUXuDc&t=468
Not only that, but losing voting rights wasn't part of the sentence. If they want to take away rights (even in jail), it should be a part of the sentence, not something shoehorned in quietly.
They used to just say "taxation without representation".
That's way more accurate. I don't feel very represented and I still get taxed.
You can still request the old plates, but nobody does. DC residents who aren't in politics are incredibly politically homogenous. You would think the rest of the country would take that as a clue about how things actually work there...
Yeah, they should
It because D.C. is not a state, and they have no Representative in Congress.
Yes, that's what I was referencing
It’s somehow worse than that they DO have (kinda) reps Eleanor Holmes Norton DC house reps are “delegates” so they cant vote on bills but the position still exist.
Well to my understanding, aren’t tax related things not controlled by them? Does Congress as a whole control those things?
Congress has the right to levy taxes under the Taxing and Spending Clause. However non voting members can’t vote on any laws and therefore can’t vote on tax related law . Wikipedia says They receive compensation, benefits, and the ability to send mail without a stamp like full house members. I’ve heard they can vote in committees but I can’t confirm that
so I would say this is taxation without representation. Or taxation with the most minimal amount of powerless representation possible. But that’s a longer phrase
In theory, because every congressperson lives in DC a large fraction of the year, every one represents them. Giving them their own rep on top of that would give them too much power. In theory.
It would not be giving D.C. too much power because ultimately Congress governs D.C., not the local government which exists entirely at Congress's pleasure, so this would at least give D.C. some influence over its own government rather than none, which is what it currently has.
Congressmembers are only a minuscule fraction of the population of DC. And the rest of the population never voted for any of them. So the vast, vast majority of people in DC are unrepresented.
Yes, it's silly to say they're being represented. They don't chose them and Representatives and Senators don't give a hoot about what D.C. residents want on a national stage. They barely care what their constituents want. I have never heard them even mention the people of D.C. when talking about issues.
If ~~Trump~~ United States makes enough money on Tic-Toc he can afford to pay everyone's taxes for them.
Did you listen to that bull...
Like a watched it for 3 minutes or so..
He said it would allow us citizens not to be worried about propaganda but also said when asked that he would want the whole thing to just have maga stuff in it... he can't even keep up the lies man
Too stupid to be any good.
Chaos is where incompetence hides
Most State Roads have a cutout in the geographical shape of the State. Washington's is a cut out of George's face
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