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[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.org 41 points 3 weeks ago

But it's really easy. Wanna know how many inches are in a mile? One inch is 0.0254 m. One mile is 1609.344 m. 1609.344 / 0.0254 is 63360. There.

[-] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 13 points 3 weeks ago

But what if there are no inches in that mile, only yards? Or parsec? Oh, wait...

[-] ALERT@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

or just eagle elbows

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[-] JPSound@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

I'm an American and every last bit of my shop is metric. It is the superior unit of measurement in every aspect. I don't bother with imperial at all. If I have to list dimensions online in imperial, just multiply mm x 25.4 which gives me inches. That's as far as Ill go into inches and feet.

I've said this before and Ill say it again, the US was robbed of the superior unit of measurement.

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[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 20 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah but can we talk about time?

Our units of temporal measurement, from seconds on up to months, are so complicated, asymmetrical and disjunctive so as to make coherent mental reckoning in time all but impossible. Indeed, had some tyrannical god contrived to enslave our minds to time, to make it all but impossible for us to escape subjection to sodden routines and unpleasant surprises, he could hardly have done better than handing down our present system. It is like a set of trapezoidal building blocks, with no vertical or horizontal surfaces, like a language in which the simplest thought demands ornate constructions, useless particles and lengthy circumlocutions. Unlike the more successful patterns of language and science, which enable us to face experience boldly or at least level-headedly, our system of temporal calculation silently and persistently encourages our terror of time.

...It is as though architects had to measure length in feet, width in meters and height in ells; as though basic instruction manuals demanded a knowledge of five different languages. It is no wonder then that we often look into our own immediate past or future, last Tuesday or a week from Sunday, with feelings of helpless confusion. …

—Robert Grudin, Time and the Art of Living. 

As quoted in the GNU coreurils documentation for date input formats

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

The units are complicated because our world is complicated. The moon orbits the earth in a certain interval, the earth orbit the sun and the earth revolves around itself. Those are the major points of reference but none of them line up.

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 weeks ago

Best of all, none of those natural reference values are constant. They drift gradually, and lunar months won’t be 30 days forever just like a day won’t be 24 hours in the future.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Hmm, I wonder... our current standard of time might end up being the standard for a long time, primarily because of GPS. Before we had global data networks it wasn't really possible to syncronize clocks all around the world. There used to be a telephone service that you could dial which would tell you "The time is now eight fifty-five PM" or w/e because that was the most effective way to distribute a coordinated time signal, and then you could manually set your local clock/watch to match.

But GPS depends heavily on accurate time information, and keeping it accurate is very complicated. Relativitistic time dilation applies because the satellites are:

  1. far enough away from Earth (~20000km) that they experience different gravity than devices on Earth's surface, causing local time for the satellite to be be faster, and
  2. moving so fast in their orbit that they experience a measurable slowing of local time.

(that's right, using GPS on your phone is a real-world demonstration of the theory of relativity in practical effect)

..and all those satellites are constantly checking in with each other and ground stations to make sure they're in agreement.

As a result there is now a de facto standard time reference for the entire world, and all networked devices depend on it for their own timing, and it is accurate to microseconds at worst.

100 years ago people were still winding mechanical clocks every day, and setting them by the local churchbell.

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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The way we split them is still purely arbitrary though. We could have metric time that uses multiples of 10 just by adjusting the duration of a second accordingly and adjusting how we divide time in a day.

Days of the calendar would be more challenging. But it's still possible to make something much more workable I'm sure of it.

[-] LawfulPirate@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Have a look at the international fixed calendar, used by kodak internally until 1989. 13 months of 28 days, it looks so clean

International calendar used at Kodak. Showing 13 months (Sol being a new month after June) of 28 days

Everything months starts a Sunday (I'd rather start weeks on Monday but whatever), every second Monday is the 9th. Plus it has the advantage of keeping the 7 days week we're used to. Software excluded, it looks easy to adopt.

Alternatively there was the French revolutionary calendar with 10 days weeks and 12 months

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[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Then there's my favorite cursed unit: the kip! 1 kip=1000 lbs. "Kip" is short for "kilo-pounds." It's a unit used frequently in American civil and structural engineering. And it is so deliciously cursed.

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[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Being purposefully stupid and arrogant about it is the single most American thing.

[-] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 weeks ago

One of the many failures of American public education system that I was subjected to. It's speaks volumes about how normalized exceptionalism is in this country.

"Oh, the measurement standard the rest of the world uses? You don't need to learn that. You're an American, so people from other countries will just accomodate you because they want to be like us."

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

One of the most annoying things in the world are American websites that claim to sell internationally but they only offer USD and all provided measurements are in American imperial.

Right up there with online stores that only have boxes for "state" and "zip code" even if the selected country doesn't use those.

[-] Sunshine@piefed.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

Americans are really falling behind these day in all the metrics 😂

[-] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

We actually use both. Imperial is easier to break into 3rds, but can still break down into other bases easily without any irrational numbers. Metric is more useful for science, but my mom who does landscaping prefers Imperial for her designs because it’s not stuck in base-10.

Europeans are the ones who refuse to learn more than one system lol

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago

Just came here to nit-pick that the metric prefix for 10^3^ is k and not K.

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[-] Pazintach@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Growing up in the Metric environment, I only have to deal with the Imperial system very rarely before the Internet. But later, I found out there's a whole country that only use Imperial, and that they almost always demand you convert your system to the one they understand, and almost never bothered with Metric when they write anything. But then again, I found out that they also use units that are totally novel. I just have to accept that this is the character of them, and continue using Metric.

[-] elbiter@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

It's because they believe they're so exceptional that everything that works for the rest of the world doesn't work for them.

That includes not only the metric system but also things like healthcare, student debt and gun control.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

Probably. Because their understanding of metric is next to none. So they don't even know what to convert it to. We also often take for granted with that we grow up with.

It wasn't until I was 25 that I realized woodworking and sewing, isn't part of the normal elementary school curriculum abroad.

It's far from easy for someone that grew up in a different system to get a good reference of what different units feel like. It's the kind of change you need multiple new generations for.

The only reference Americans have for metric is 9mm

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[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

In the US, we should make things even more confusing to anger the metric folks. I propose we redefine the "foot" every four years. The length of the foot will always correspond to the actual measured foot length of the current US president.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

the fact that you think this will anger metric folks who already don't make sense of your dumb system rather than ruin many aspects of your country ... uh ... never mind, you're already ruining many aspects of country. ignore what I was going to say. carry on.

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[-] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] thelittleerik@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Amerifats cant get over their imperialist england brain to work in tandem with rest of the world. It creates just enough division and tribality between the world the US to justify its colonial nature and settlement enterprise in the americas.

You cant bury your disgusting history.

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[-] bobzer@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Can anyone with a deeper understanding of the history of the metric system explain why a gram is the base unit of weight, and a litre the base unit of volume?

I thought the foundation of the system was that a kilogram is the weight of a litre of water. But then why not name them 1 thing = 1 thing rather than 1000x a thing = 1 thing.

And yes I've had four cups of coffee and no sleep today.

[-] HexagonSun@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That’s an interesting question that I’d never thought about before.

I asked chatGPT, which predictably bullshitted me and said they’d decided grams made more sense than kilograms for scientific lab work.

But then I searched and found this from the user tomalator on Reddit:

“When the French were developing the metric system, they suggested the unit be called a grave (pronounced grav) being the mass of 1L of water (1000 cm3)

The French at this time being in the middle of a revolution against the rich notice that it sounded a lot like the word Graf, being a word for Duke or Earl, and they wanted to avoid affiliating with the nobility, so they changed the measurement to be the mass of 1mL of water (1 cm3) and called it the gramme

They then noticed that it was inconvenient to use a mass unit so small, so they changed back to the 1L of water definition, but kept the name gramme for the base, and threw out the word grave in favor of the kilogramme.

And that's why the kilogram is the base SI unit and not the gram. I had the exact same question when I learned the SI unites.”

[-] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

First they defined the meter and then one litre was defined as one dm^3.

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[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 8 points 3 weeks ago

It annoys me so much that a small decision could have had me growing up with metric.

[-] Sunshine@piefed.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

Damn Tucker Carlson must’ve stumbled upon this post. Someone should tell him that Russians use metric.

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Being a mechanical engineer in the US constantly switching between both systems really sucks. And for much more than just length and temperature

[-] Sunshine@piefed.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago

This could’ve been dealt with decades ago if people weren’t afraid of change.

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[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

I like metric weight for cooking (on the rare occasion I make something that involves careful measuring, and for my bread making) and MILES can fuck right off, km are fine for measuring long distance. And fine with meters, cm for short distance.

But I do like how feet are 12 inches, because 12 is so evenly divisible, and like that a gallon splits in half and half again and again until you get cups. It's like RAM,

Cup is 8 oz

Pint is 16 oz

Quart is 32 oz

Half Gallon is 64 oz

Gallon is 128 oz.

That doubling sequence is satisfying.

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[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

who the fuck are these absolute twats that are simping over a system of measurement? good for you, your governance made a good choice, but it was hardly like OP invented it or was responsible for the adoption, so whoop de fuckin' doo. or Le Whoop if you must convert.

we don't like imperial, it's not like you'll find people (outside hicksville or maga) claiming to defend it's superiority.

and get off your silly pretensions, for all your metric elegance the UK is still measuring shit in stones and miles.

[-] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Ah yes, the reason I am teaching myself as an American adult the metric system

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[-] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

American exceptionalism (& imperialism) at it's finest

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[-] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

This thread is full of middle schoolers who don’t realize that you can measure things in whatever system you want, regardless of country. The whole premise of this circlejerk is faulty.

[-] Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago

You can but there are real examples where mixing units results in failure. NASA lost a 125 million dollar mars probe in 1999 because JPL and NASA use metric but Lockheed Martin added acceleration data in American imperial units.

It might be a circle jerk but it is also best practice to use a standard system and there's really only one holdout on not using that system. I say this as an American who wishes people would just use metric because it's just easier unless you just fucking love fractions of an inch.

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[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago

anyone can do whatever on their own, but if it affects anyone else than that one person its not just that one person's business. I cant see the insistence of using imperial system as anything else than america has used it in the past, and therefore its american system and because america is the best it must be the best system to use and to claim anything else is to hate america.

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