I think this moment is typified specifically by societies collapsing from their political centers becoming too divorced from reality, policy and rationality to identify the difference between a peaceful leftwing movement on one hand desperately ringing the alarm bells and on the other hand open calls for political violence and terrorism by the rightwing.

If the center continues to blindly follow fascism because it is more palpable to them than actually taking care of people there isn't really anything leftists can do but hope there is a limit that exists to all of this.

The crux of the problem is centrists lazily allowing rightwing movements to be openly violent because it is easier than addressing how existential of a problem this is for a peaceful society. Centrists consider it divisive to address the violence of the rightwing, and this cowardice will undoubtedly destroy us.

Another way of stating this is that the center of societies have allowed the social contract to be shattered by the rightwing while instead focusing on tone-policing the left in its rhetoric trying to warn about it.

Centrists would rather keep normalizing catastrophe as part of life than try to avoid it or mitigate it with bold, visionary moves. Most centrists I have met seem disgusted in some subconscious way by leftwing ideas at a superficial level, even if you can get them to admit a leftwing idea is valid or promising they will fundamentally always recoil from the concept of actually implementing leftwing ideas, at a basic level this is just not something many centrists can stomach it seems.

The reason? The realm of political possibility has been defined by the rich to fundamentally exclude leftism, thus there is a necessary imaginative resistance to applying our vision to denied horizons that is utterly invisible to the centers of most societies I am speaking about here. Centrists don't seem to question the fact that they themselves have acquiesced to a full 360 degree horizon of only rightwing futures no matter what direction we head.

As a rule it feels like centrists see practical policy that has been thoroughly combed over by experts as naive, wishwashy and handwaving when leftists do it. However when rightwing fascists spout violent nonsense they literally just came up with that second, well we outa here em out right? We should at least try it to be fair right?

i dont even think its that enlightened anymore.

Simply " We must always be the victim, always. No matter what. Even when we are the one responsible for all the attacks and violence, it must always be the lefts fault for victimizing us"

white supremacist Nazi

Well, white supremacist Nazis are also horrible pieces of shit so my comment still stands.

Yeah, not American but I do see a lot of this “when this is over” attitude as if the passing of time alone will resolve anything. These people don’t care about the rules. There will be no justice because they control the justice department. “Wake up, Sheeple” has never felt more relevant.

They're always calling for more violence, they're fascists.

They're already running an ethnic cleansing campaign involving large scale concentration camps illegally disappearing people and denying them food, hygiene and medication. A legal Irish US resident was kidnapped and had his subdermal piercings surgically removed against his will after the anaesthetic wore off.

We're engaged in genocide and torture at home, we support it abroad, the president is a child rapist and known Russian asset who was deeply involved in child sex trafficking and the public purse is being opened looted.

Laura Ingraham saying some shit is a distraction.