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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 2 weeks ago

Until the rest of society stops making an exception for rightwing people we are fucked.

Society isn't; they are. Society (read: people) is just too feckless to do anything about it.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think this moment is typified specifically by societies collapsing from their political centers becoming too divorced from reality, policy and rationality to identify the difference between a peaceful leftwing movement on one hand desperately ringing the alarm bells and on the other hand open calls for political violence and terrorism by the rightwing.

If the center continues to blindly follow fascism because it is more palpable to them than actually taking care of people there isn't really anything leftists can do but hope there is a limit that exists to all of this.

The crux of the problem is centrists lazily allowing rightwing movements to be openly violent because it is easier than addressing how existential of a problem this is for a peaceful society. Centrists consider it divisive to address the violence of the rightwing, and this cowardice will undoubtedly destroy us.

Another way of stating this is that the center of societies have allowed the social contract to be shattered by the rightwing while instead focusing on tone-policing the left in its rhetoric trying to warn about it.

Centrists would rather keep normalizing catastrophe as part of life than try to avoid it or mitigate it with bold, visionary moves. Most centrists I have met seem disgusted in some subconscious way by leftwing ideas at a superficial level, even if you can get them to admit a leftwing idea is valid or promising they will fundamentally always recoil from the concept of actually implementing leftwing ideas, at a basic level this is just not something many centrists can stomach it seems.

The reason? The realm of political possibility has been defined by the rich to fundamentally exclude leftism, thus there is a necessary imaginative resistance to applying our vision to denied horizons that is utterly invisible to the centers of most societies I am speaking about here. Centrists don't seem to question the fact that they themselves have acquiesced to a full 360 degree horizon of only rightwing futures no matter what direction we head.

As a rule it feels like centrists see practical policy that has been thoroughly combed over by experts as naive, wishwashy and handwaving when leftists do it. However when rightwing fascists spout violent nonsense they literally just came up with that second, well we outa here em out right? We should at least try it to be fair right?

[-] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Alongside your comments, it could also be that our default position is established in capitalism. I volunteer with my town, and I often hear, “We should run this town like a business.”

…No. It’s not. It has no profit potential. It’s about the service & cost to run it each year.

However, for my colleagues, there’s often this reckoning. “What do you mean? I run businesses. I know how to do this.” No, you don’t. Because you’re used to cutting corners. You’re used to outsourcing at maybe a more expensive cost. You’re used to racing to the bottom.

Government is NOT about being a capitalistic business. This country defaults to “That’s the right way to do it.” when they fundamentally don’t understand how the problem and goals are different. It’s very “everything is a nail,” and the hammer is “for profit models.”

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