I mean, that's like how Elon wants to call his new party, the America party. And most likely people who are registered to vote for the America party would be called Americans. And so then if you're against them what, you're against America? You hate all Americans?

Like yes, in reality the people who are against antifa are fascists. But that can't be determined from the name of it! The government has played this trick countless times, naming laws and bills the opposite of what they're really supposed to do. Like someone introduces a bill called the " children's online privacy protection" act, but really it's just some mass surveillance garbage and has nothing to do with protecting children. And then if you oppose the act, and someone says " oh so you don't want children to be safe online?!1!1!1" like, we all know that's a really horrible argument. Things can be named whatever they want to be named even if it has no underlying relation to the reality of what they stand for.

Again, at this particular moment in this particular situation, antifa still does really stand against fascism, and the government that hates antifa really does stand for fascism. So we happened to get lucky that the names line up with the reality underneath in this case, but that doesn't mean that that's a good line of reasoning in general.

Not even like it's a hard algebraic equation right? - either that person is lying or really need to save those braincells for breathing

Most people know better. It's completely bad faith arguing.

Being against the Patriot Act does not mean you're not a patriot. Being against Black Lives Matter does not mean you think black lives don't matter. Same can be said about Antifa's actions; plenty of reasons to oppose them that do not involve supporting facism.

Also, there's the common fallacy of composition / division. Being against the Civil Rights Act doesn't mean you support segregation. Being against the Big Beautiful Bill does not mean you're against child tax credits.

College educated people know better, but still leverage dishonesty for political points. It's tiring.

Extremely blessed Lemmy moment of opening the comments to find the hot one is what you opened the comments to post yourself

I thought it was all about Brandon.

It is not correct. There is a movement in Germany that is called Anti-Deutscher (anti German) they refuse to call themselves Germans and refuse identify themselves as such. As you all can think there are many people that doesn't like them (main reason being, that they are toxic but that is besides the point) I'd also call myself anti-anti-Deutscher, only that doesn't make me German. You can extend this example, just because you do tolerate something doesn't make you part of it.

That said it is not a secret that Maga is a fascist group. I say it based on their own slogans. I don't know if they are even deny it.

So you can call it an anti-murder device.

Yes, but you can also call it a murder device. So when you say "anti-gun" and follow your logic we don't know if you've meant you're anti-defense or anti-murder. The ambiguity exists because of how you framed your example by attaching an inconsistent purpose for the gun.

The same ambiguity does not exist for anti-fascist.

"Listen up kids" is always followed by some contentious, condescending bullshit.

Your example does not support the point you're trying to make.

Gun = murder device. Gun <> murder. You can't just arbitrarily switch between the two concepts.

Anti-anti-murder device = pro-murder device. Double negative

Your example still means you would be kinda pro abortion. At least for the option to be there. Some would even say "an enabler for abortion".

If someone would be the same level for fascists, I would still call them fascist. Others would maybe just call them a fascist enabler, but not being fascist, but still being pro fascist, is still very evil IMO.

Well being anti Antifa could mean you are on one end okay eith fascism or the other end support fascism 100%.

In both cases you are a fascist IMO

I also agree with it, he is fascist. But yeah, the right don't view "Antifa" as encompassing everyone who is against fascism. Just like how, say, banning Mothers Against Drunk Driving would not ban mothers against against drunk driving. Of course, one of those is an actual legal entity, the other is a vague movement.

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