Wow so comment sections here are just men patting each other on the back eh
Yep, the comments on many feminist social media posts prove the need for feminism
Not to narc my brother in law but he quit his job to play video games because he was burnt out. He acts like getting Microsoft game pass points is a fulltime job and doesn't cook, clean, or do dishes in their house. He's going on 5 years acting like binge gaming is healthy
Tbh, men carry their own mental load so consistently that I'm seeing news stories about how men are turning to AI for therapy instead of talking to literally any human instead
sometimes "carry the mental load" looks like organizing and remembering the grocery list, remembering whose birthdays are when and planning gifts and cards in time, etc. - it's not just feeling burdened with emotions or emotional labor in that sense (obviously men have emotional loads, and often don't feel they can be vulnerable enough to get help - but the problem there is still patriarchy, the same problem that puts women in the position the meme talks about: men and women have a shared enemy, and it's patriarchy).
We can't talk to humans, admitting to having feelings and problems is seen as weak and unattractive. It's just a another part of the load.
the REAL gold diggers literally dig... for gold
i've seen both balanced and unbalanced relationships of highly dominant woman, of highly dominant man, of one bringing in income and the other not, etc. i havent seen the specific type the person is mentioning yet. I saw one where the man had more income yet was 100% submissive to an extremely dominating woman. Also one where both had equal income but the man treated the woman horribly. Equal income but man lazy while woman hardworking at home? i think the closest i saw was a real estate woman who 100% supported her family and the husband was sort of lame and had no job, tho since he was the one at home he still did maybe 60% of home work id guess.
anyway, there are lots of bad relationship types. rawr!
and there are probably relationships that are the opposite of the meme where the couple has equal income but its the woman who is lazy and the man does more at home
Leave it to bourgeois feminism to recognize a real and serious problem in today's system (the exploitation and deliberate oppression of women via unpaid labor to grow future workers to be exploited by capitalists for no cost to them), only for them to toss aside the class character of the problem and blame men.
No, it's definitely both. You're just not going to get an essay-length nuanced analysis out of a Tweet, so it's easy to give people the least charitable interpretation. It's unfair to reduce feminism and the larger points about divisions of labor to this one tweet, and then take the moral high ground. Twitter and Bluesky suck and have little redeeming value, but here is a chance to have more extended discussions without making snap judgments.
There's a portion of Marxist men, certainly not all of them, who partake in essentialism and are reluctant to take women seriously, along with other cultural issues. The class struggle is a venn diagram with the rights of people in marginalized groups. It's important, but it's not absolutely everything.
are you on our side or not? feminism should incorporate class analysis, but feminism cannot be reduced to class analysis, patriarchy will be a problem whether women are exploited by capitalism or some other economic system
I'm definitely on the side of marxist feminists (which is one of the bigger branches/theories in the feminist spaces), which is one of the major theories that is based on class analysis and one that recognizes how capitalism and patriarchy (which are not being conflated into one) are interconnected and support one another.
It's also opposed to bourgeois feminism, which might deliberately omit systemic causes behind oppression (see: the original post) and just aims to benefit women at the top while working class women get shafted.
Hope this answers what my stance is at least.
just a small tip, if you want to keep alliances with other feminists, criticizing them for targeting patriarchy and double standards between women and men as being "bourgeois" for not including class analysis is only going to alienate and work against the solidarity we need as a movement
I'm not sure everything you see as bourgeois feminism is as genuinely "bourgeois" or problematic as you think - it's not like the meme is perpetuating Sheryl Sandberg style thinking even if there is more that could be said about the situation.
Yeah, maybe you're right.
Thanks for being awesome, comrade 🫶
Is it "bourgeois feminism," or just the inherent limitations of Twitter/Bluesky as a medium and its inability to provide extended context to thesis statements?
I’m down for a universal basic income, but sorry folks doing chores is not “unpaid labor”
yet when you do it for someone else it's paid, it's arbitrary that women's work has been socialized as not deserving a wage, a retirement plan, or even basic respect - yet producing a future worker and socializing them, which is the source of all capital, is entirely exploited and taken without compensation of any kind
this is the point of the Wages for Housework movement
After reading the post I’m still not convinced. I do think folks who have jobs as waiters, waitresses, house keepers, nanny’s, service workers in general both men and women so as not to be sexist, also paid time paternity and maternity leave for all jobs, I can support a lot of these things, all of these people, and also anyone who works deserves a living wage.
Edited for double negatives lol but hopefully meaning is clear
I just disagree that calling our chores unpaid labor makes any sense if we are trying to actually make it happen…with legislation. I live in the USA and 🎤 🎙️ 🎼 🎶 I’m proud to be an American because basic income works for me, and is proven to work. 🎵 🎶 🎶 🎵 🎶 🎶
Again, I would not vote against it no matter what it is was or will be called.
Also, I did not downvote you by the way I ain’t like that
I support a universal basic income, everyone deserves to have their basic needs met at a minimum, we don’t live in a society where there is a shortage of anything, at least in developed countries….
I will read your post tomorrow… thanks
I don’t think people should be paid for taking care of their families or doing their chores, if you are doing someone else’s chores and that is your job then sure…. But like I said I do think we should have basic income etc….
I wouldn’t vote against a referendum that suggested we pay single mothers or fathers or other folks unable to work for whatever reason though, so it could just be semantics and games of words to describe the same thing… not sure
In the United States if I was a single father I would much rather be homeless and able to spend time with my kid than to work and have to be away from them… but I’m also a dirty hippy who knows that life is possible
How else would it be framed, if she's expected to do the lion's share of work in the relationship, without any compensation?
And often being expected to, without a word of gratitude in return
Oh shit, better start dine-n-dashing at eateries (food preparation and dishes are chores and therefore aren't labour i guess)
As a freegan I hear you but there is so much waste you don’t actually need to steal, I have had anarchist friends though… the different flavors of caviar are pretty good not gonna lie
But, surely you see the difference between eating at a restaurant and eating at home. Seems like a bad faith argument.
I do support universal basic income and would not vote against legislation that phrased it as paying folks for so called unpaid labor, I just don’t think the wording is correct… much like defund the police is phrased incorrectly, I support defunding the police but I don’t think it’s a good way to phrase it. Police need more resources and social workers on their teams and more training, not more military gear, but calling it defunding the police just automatically gets all the republicans and half the democrats against it because of how it sounds…. Same as this… doing your laundry and doing your dishes is not something you should get paid for unless you are getting an allowance from your parents, even then it’s iffy
