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submitted 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) by cypherpunks@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.world

Note: this lemmy post was originally titled MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline and linked to this article, which I cross-posted from this post in !fuck_ai@lemmy.world.

Someone pointed out that the "Science, Public Health Policy and the Law" website which published this click-bait summary of the MIT study is not a reputable publication deserving of traffic, so, 16 hours after posting it I am editing this post (as well as the two other cross-posts I made of it) to link to MIT's page about the study instead.

The actual paper is here and was previously posted on !fuck_ai@lemmy.world and other lemmy communities here.

Note that the study with its original title got far less upvotes than the click-bait summary did 🤡

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[-] Wojwo@lemmy.ml 124 points 4 weeks ago

Does this also explain what happens with middle and upper management? As people have moved up the ranks during the course of their careers, I swear they get dumber.

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 70 points 4 weeks ago

That was my first reaction. Using LLMs is a lot like being a manager. You have to describe goals/tasks and delegate them, while usually not doing any of the tasks yourself.

[-] sheogorath@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

Fuck, this is why I'm feeling dumber myself after getting promoted to more senior positions and had only had to work in architectural level and on stuff that the more junior staffs can't work on.

With LLMs basically my job is still the same.

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[-] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 weeks ago

That's the Peter Principle.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 4 weeks ago

My dad around 1993 designed a cipher better than RC4 (I know it's not a high mark now, but it kinda was then) at the time, which passed audit by a relevant service.

My dad around 2003 still was intelligent enough, he'd explain me and my sister some interesting mathematical problems and notice similarities to them and interesting things in real life.

My dad around 2005 was promoted to a management position and was already becoming kinda dumber.

My dad around 2010 was a fucking idiot, you'd think he's mentally impaired.

My dad around 2015 apparently went to a fortuneteller to "heal me from autism".

So yeah. I think it's a bit similar to what happens to elderly people when they retire. Everything should be trained, and also real tasks give you feeling of life, giving orders and going to endless could-be-an-email meetings makes you both dumb and depressed.

[-] socphoenix@midwest.social 15 points 4 weeks ago

I’d expect similar at least. When one doesn’t keep up to date on new information and lets their brain coast it atrophies like any other muscle would from disuse.

[-] DownToClown@lemmy.world 89 points 4 weeks ago

The obvious AI-generated image and the generic name of the journal made me think that there was something off about this website/article and sure enough the writer of this article is on X claiming that covid 19 vaccines are not fit for humans and that there's a clear link between vaccines and autism.

Neat.

[-] tad_lispy@europe.pub 64 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Thanks for the warning. Here's the link to the original study, so we don't have to drive traffic to that guys website.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.08872

I haven't got time to read it and now I wonder if it was represented accurately in the article.

[-] codemankey@programming.dev 10 points 4 weeks ago

That’s a math article

[-] tad_lispy@europe.pub 8 points 4 weeks ago

Fixed. Thanks!

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Thanks for pointing this out. Looking closer I see that that "journal" was definitely not something I want to be sending traffic to, for a whole bunch of reasons - besides anti-vax they're also anti-trans, and they're gold bugs... and they're asking tough questions like "do viruses exist" 🤡

I edited the post to link to MIT instead, and added a note in the post body explaining why.

[-] QuadDamage@kbin.earth 51 points 4 weeks ago

Microsoft reported the same findings earlier this year, spooky to see a more academic institution report the same results. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/lee_2025_ai_critical_thinking_survey.pdf Abstract for those too lazy to click:

The rise of Generative AI (GenAI) in knowledge workflows raises questions about its impact on critical thinking skills and practices. We survey 319 knowledge workers to investigate 1) when and how they perceive the enaction of critical thinking when using GenAI, and 2) when and why GenAI affects their effort to do so. Participants shared 936 first-hand examples of using GenAI in work tasks. Quantitatively, when considering both task- and user-specific factors, a user’s task-specific self-confidence and confidence in GenAI are predictive of whether critical thinking is enacted and the effort of doing so in GenAI-assisted tasks. Specifically, higher confidence in GenAI is associated with less critical thinking, while higher self-confidence is associated with more critical thinking. Qualitatively, GenAI shifts the nature of critical thinking toward information verification, response integration, and task stewardship. Our insights reveal new design challenges and opportunities for developing GenAI tools for knowledge work.

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[-] canadaduane@lemmy.ca 44 points 4 weeks ago

I wonder what social media does.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 38 points 4 weeks ago

No wonder Republicans like it so much

[-] unpossum@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 weeks ago

So if someone else writes your essays for you, you don’t learn anything?

[-] Korkki@lemmy.ml 28 points 4 weeks ago

You write essay with AI your learning suffers.

One of these papers that are basically "water is wet, researches discover".

[-] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

But does it cause this when when used exclusively for RP gooning sessions?

[-] svc@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 43 points 4 weeks ago

Somebody fund this scholar's research immediately

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[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago
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[-] suddenlyme@lemmy.zip 23 points 4 weeks ago

Its so disturbing. Especially the bit about your brain activity not returning to normal afterwards. They are teaching the kids to use it in elementary schools.

[-] hisao@ani.social 12 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I think they meant it doesn't return to non-AI-user levels when you do the same task on your own immediately afterwards. But if you keep doing the task on your own for some time, I'd expect it to return to those levels rather fast.

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[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago

cognitive decline.

Another reason for refusing those so-called tools... it could turn one into another tool.

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[-] sudo_shinespark@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago

Heyyy, now I get to enjoy some copium for being such a dinosaur and resisting to use it as often as I can

[-] morto@piefed.social 16 points 4 weeks ago

You're not a dinosaur. Making people feel old and out of the trend is exactly one of the strategies used by big techs to shove their stuff into people.

[-] Tracaine@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

I don't refute the findings but I would like to mention: without AI, I wasn't going to be writing anything at all. I'd have let it go and dealt with the consequences. This way at least I'm doing something rather than nothing.

I'm not advocating for academic dishonesty of course, I'm only saying it doesn't look like they bothered to look at the issue from the angle of:

"What if the subject was planning on doing nothing at all and the AI enabled the them to expend the bare minimum of effort they otherwise would have avoided?"

I would argue that if you used AI, you still haven’t done any writing.

I don’t think you can definitely say that you wouldn’t have done it anyway. That’s speculative based on a theoretical situation.

It’s possible you might have been moved to write if AI never existed, maybe not. But whatever you do write without AI is actually something you made, good or bad. LLM output isn’t.

[-] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 weeks ago

Could you expand with an example because what you said is too vague to really extract any point from. I'd argue that if it gives you wrong information, doing something wrong is worse than doing nothing.

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[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago

sad that people knee jerk downvote you, but i agree. i think there is definitely a productive use case for AI if it helps you get started learning new things.

It helped me a ton this summer learn gardening basics and pick out local plants which are now feeding local pollinators. That is something i never had the motivation to tackle from scratch even though i knew i should.

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 16 points 4 weeks ago

It helped me a ton this summer learn gardening basics and pick out local plants which are now feeding local pollinators. That is something i never had the motivation to tackle from scratch even though i knew i should.

Given the track record of some models, I'd question the accuracy of the information it gave you. I would have recommended consulting traditional sources.

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[-] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 weeks ago

relying on AI makes people stupid?

Who knew?

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago

And using a calculator isn’t as engaging for your brain as manually working the problem. What’s your point?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 29 points 4 weeks ago

Seems like you've made the point succinctly.

Don't lean on a calculator if you want to develop your math skills. Don't lean on an AI if you want to develop general cognition.

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, I went over there with ideas that it was grandiose and not peer-reviewed. Turns out it's just a cherry-picked title.

If you use an AI assistant to write a paper, you don't learn any more from the process than you do from reading someone else's paper. You don't think about it deeply and come up with your own points and principles. It's pretty straightforward.

But just like calculators, once you understand the underlying math, unless math is your thing, you don't generally go back and do it all by hand because it's a waste of time.

At some point, we'll need to stop using long-form papers to gauge someone's acumen in a particular subject. I suspect you'll be given questions in real time and need to respond to them on video with your best guesses to prove you're not just reading it from a prompt.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 4 weeks ago

Anyone who doubts this should ask their parents how many phone numbers they used to remember.

In a few years there'll be people who've forgotten how to have a conversation.

[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 weeks ago

I don't see how that's any indicator of cognitive decline.

Also people had notebooks for ages. The reason they remembered phone numbers wasn't necessity, but that you had to manually dial them every time.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago

And now, since you are the father of writing, your affection for it has made you describe its effects as the opposite of what they really are. In fact, [writing] will introduce forgetfulness into the soul of those who learn it: they will not practice using their memory because they will put their trust in writing, which is external and depends on signs that belong to others, instead of trying to remember from the inside, completely on their own. You have not discovered a potion for remembering, but for reminding; you provide your students with the appearance of wisdom, not with its reality. Your invention will enable them to hear many things without being properly taught, and they will imagine that they have come to know much while for the most part they will know nothing. And they will be difficult to get along with, since they will merely appear to be wise instead of really being so.

—a story told by Socrates, according to his student Plato

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