Also, Hanlon's Razor applies to individuals.
A small child dropping a glass? An adult causing an accident? Sure, that's incompetence.
A company shipping a bad product that kills people? Malice, and Greed. They could afford someone to check that people don't get hurt, they profit from the misery.
If your ignorance causes harm you get at most one strike
If you continue to choose harmful ignorance in the face of truth, you are simply malicious
Willful ignorance... IS negligence
While I agree, and I believe negligence is bad, it is not malice. Malice can include negligence with intent to remain negligent. But also negligence can come from not knowing better which is not itself malicious.
I'm not saying ignorant people are malicious; just that malicious people tend to be ignorant.
I think ignorance of things like the value of life or the individuality of others excuses them from the empathy we have for the stupid
That can be corrected though, it's willful ignorance should not be tolerated.
can it? I've never been able to convince someone that other people exist and have value. it seems like people who grow up without that tend to stay that way. how do you correct that?
The person has to want to be better. Not everyone does. Especially when their faults form part of their identity.
I guess when I meet adults like that this is usually the case
It seems to be, increasingly, the case in my experience too.
When you look at figures like Trump or Boslonaro and their respective cronies, intentional malice is the only explanation
Hanlon's razor doesn't apply to politicians or the rich
hanlon's razor doesn't apply to politicians because they are paid to know the stuff they're talking about.
hanlon's razor doesn't apply to the rich because their common narrative is that they deserve that position of wealth and power because they're so intelligent and reasonable and such. so they better know their stuff.
Malice and ignorance often go hand in hand.
Need to distinguish between the powerful and the powerless.
Because the powerful often have the knowledge and then use it to gain power, malice.
While the powerless often are just misled and victims of the powerful.
I reference Hanlon's Razor commonly, never can remember the name though. I like the addition of the second part too though. There certainly comes a point where it can only be willful ignorance and we dont support that
Your weekly reminder that Marie-Antoinette didn't have much to do with the famine in France and that "let them eat cake" is ahistorical.
My only issue with Hanlon is that many bots are out there and ones that have bad intent. IRL I think it applies, but various populated online spaces I feel differently about.
oooooooh no, there's plenty of people who really are just that dumb. my mother for example. you can explain the same thing to her a thousand times and she will still not get the even most basic stuff, as long as she just doesn't want to understand them, for whatever reason. don't assume malice, assume a missing brain or sth
"Indistinguishable from malice" doesn't mean they're malicious. It means their ignorance is causing harm as if they were malicious.
Like say if someone didn't understand vaccines to such an extent that they voted to remove them. Causing harm.
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