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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Modlog: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog/25693?page=1&actionType=All&userId=21053985 , banned by @goat@sh.itjust.works

For context, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, and got into a few arguments.

More context:

It started (to my knowledge) with this comment, goat pinged db0 after he downvoted a comment

a note on the uyghurs (click to show

For the record, I believe that the Uyghurs are mistreated by the CCP, and are experiencing cultural erasure and Human Rights abuses, but there's a lack of evidence that it's a genocide specifically (especially since it seems to target the religion, rather than the ethnic group).

Goat banned IndustryStandard, leading to this thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/ leading to goat commenting this:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21070262

He mentions this:

We constantly encounter bots, spammers, alt accounts, trolls, and doxxers, so I need to be vigilant by regularly checking who’s interfering and from where.

Which I find ironic, since there was some vote manipulation happening, which goat did nothing about (and could be behind), but I'll get to that later.

After some more arguments, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, saying that letting tankie users engage on dbzer0 comms means other users are tankies:


source

He said that it's different for LW (lemmy.world) and SJW (sh.itjust.works, not the other word). He then poster the "Tank Man" picture to !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, as he expected us to retaliate (being tankies, according to him). We did not, in fact, retaliate: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21089819

He also posted this in tankiejerk: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52268655, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20733015.

He also may have done vote manipulation, and at the very least allowed it.
Take, for example, this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21091723
Per lemvotes, it was downvoted by the following users:

The relevant ones here are:

They have all downvoted exclusively arguments against goat and others, and were made almost at the same time.

After a bit more arguing (I'm not posting the specific comments because it's tedious, and they're easy to see by scrolling through goat's profile.) goat decided to ban all dbzer0 users from meanwhileongrad, I think this comment marks when he decided to do this, but I may be wrong.

note on the post that comment was in reply to

I think this reply (by unruffled) was taken out of context. Unruffled is absolutely not defending what's happening to the Uyghurs, they're saying that a lot of people have a double standard, where they will not hesitate to condemn the Uyghur genocide, but hesitate on the gaza one, especially when the gaza one is more severe and urgent. To quote them directly:

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying but of course they misrepresented it. You know exactly what Americans are like. They couldn't give a shit about the uyghurs, except as a way to China bash and feel superior. I also explicitly said later in the comments I agreed it was a genocide. They're just doin' the usual bad faith takes.

Feel free to quote me lol

Since this goat had been banned from dbzer0 for being hostile: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=63615

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[-] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 79 points 1 month ago

the dude who has admitted on Lemmy to being a former member of several neo-nazi forums because he finds nazis "interesting" is being an asshole. that's shocking.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 21 points 1 month ago

many anarchists used to be members of authcom communities because they found it interesting. i don't think what our worldviews were when we were young defines who we are

[-] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 31 points 1 month ago

lemme know when those authcom communities are advocating purging the western world of anyone who isn't white and enslaving the rest of the world in a christian theocracy.

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[-] TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is this the same goat who caused a stir a few months ago because they wouldn't shut up about "reverse racism"?

Edit: I couldn't find the reverse racism stuff, but I put together everything I did find https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52444570

[-] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 month ago

Sounds like the guy running a nazi bar might in fact be fitting in with his clientele a bit too well.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 47 points 1 month ago

Two notes on your Uighurs note:

1- You can absolutely have religion-based genocide. Our old friend ISIS has one under its belt.

2- The Uighurs are absolutely being targeted for their ethnicity. I mean, even the official excuse is Uighur separatism. That's why characteristics of Uighur culture and language unrelated to religion are also being targeted. It's also why the other Muslim groups in China (and there are many of them; Uighurs aren't even the largest Muslim ethnic group in China) aren't targeted like the Uighurs are. The goal is to make Turkic peoples in Xinjiang either cease to matter or cease to exist; the fact that those groups tend to be majority Muslim is a geographical coincidence.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The goal is to make Turkic peoples in Xinjiang either cease to matter or cease to exist;

Of course, because of Jason Bourne and the Han Supremacy. As we know from the features of the Mongoloid brain pan, Han Chinese are ruthless, devious, and have little regard for human life.

This shit is just wypipo projecting their 500 years of racist, imperialist, genocidal history onto their perceived enemy today. It’s re-warmed orientalism for the new cold war. Uyghurs have lived there for centuries, but now all of a sudden the Han want to wipe them from existence, because… what? They woke up on the wrong side of the bed at the turn of the millennium?

Why would people of a millennia-long multi-ethnic culture, whose standard of living has been steadily improving over the last several decades with no sign of stopping, want to go on a genocidal rampage?

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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 41 points 1 month ago

and are experiencing cultural erasure and Human Rights abuses

If you believe that, then you believe there is a genocide. Because cultural erasure is genocide.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

Every genocide in history has been accompanied by mass murder... except this one apparently. 🤔

[-] Boo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago

The definition of genocide by the UN convention:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

If the target is to destroy a group as a group and any of these acts are committed, it is genocide. Mass murder is the "prevalent" act, but it is not a requirement for genocide.

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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 17 points 1 month ago
[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The fact that so many of these are empty and stupid anti-communist smears is fascinating. Vietnam did genocide against South Vietnam, collectivization of farmland in the USSR was genocide against land owning peasants? Really?

Deeply unserious, to the point of actually being genocide denial. Genocide is the crime of crimes. This "cultural genocide" invention actually equivocates the crimes of the worst regimes in history with what are, ultimately, not even crimes. Look at Xinjiang province and compare it to Gaza. It's fucking night and day.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 27 points 1 month ago

This “cultural genocide” invention

It was "invented" in the very same book that coined the term genocide. Cultural genocide has been a part of genocide since the very inception of the concept of genocide. I shouldn't have to explain that multiple things can fit in the same category without being equal. Playing whataboutism games as an excuse to deny ongoing genocides is a supremely bad look.

We're more than happy (at least those of us on the left) to admit Australia's "stolen generation" was an act of genocide. I'm not as well-informed about it, but my understanding is that Canada's "residential school system" has been even more widely recognised as such. The concept of cultural genocide is pretty well established and widely accepted in leftist circles. The only exception to this seems to be tankies trying to deny China's own examples of it in Tibet and Xinjiang.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago

The stolen generation, the residential schools, these don't exist in a vacuum. Canada and Australia ran extermination campaigns to reduce populations before they started taking children. They're genocidal because they're part of a broader campaign of genocide, you can't just divorce them from the broader genocide as a separate crime.

That's what I mean when I say cultural genocide has always worked alongside ethnic cleansing and mass murder campaigns and extermination. They're not separate things. Divorcing it from them as it's own unique crime of "cultural genocide" makes no sense and essentially devalues the power of genocide accusations.

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Bringing Wikipedia to a gun fight 🤣 Yes, I’m aware of and accept the UNCPPCG and other such definitions that include cultural genocide.

This is neither the time or place to get into it, so I won’t, but I’ve gotten into it elsewhere dozens of times, including with .world’s top rules pervert.

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[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 month ago

for additional context, I made a thread about this exchange on hexbear, documenting the issues with the culture on MoG. Specifically the use of 'degenerate' as a pejorative being a red flag.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

TBH I didn’t think goat’s obvious bullshit needed or deserved a response.

[-] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago

Since db0 is math, and math, by definition and practice is both truth and fact, then we have MoL denying fact, as to be expected.

[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

Dbzer0 is a math instance,
Lemmy.ca is a Californian instance,
slrpnk.net is a space themed one,
Lemmy.ml is an instance for the country of Mali.

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[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think almost everyone involved in this drama is being extremely rude and unreasonable and needs to take a break from Lemmy for a bit. But yeah this is obviously petty and ridiculous.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 14 points 1 month ago

To me it's yet another example of why we need private voting or this place is just going to eat itself alive. I've already basically stopped voting because of this new vote drama trend.

[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago

Really? Public voting helped find vote manipulation.

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[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

I was banned for that trashy community for calling him out here about his hypocrisy towards the genocide in palestine

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

It’s a waste of time & effort to comment. They censor anything left of the Council on Foreign Relations, anything that questions this week’s TV news narratives. They’re the most centristest Western chauvinist around, who will never notice their chains.

[-] ChadMcTruth@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

PLEASE DELETE THIS POST IMMEDIATELY OR I WILL CONTACT THE AUTHORITIES

GDNW

THAT STANDS FOR GOAT DID NOTHING WRONG

STAND STRONG GOAT I LOVE YOU

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 18 points 1 month ago

I always appreciate the gravitas and seriousness ChadMcTruth brings to these posts

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

To the fascist replying to me and other lemmy.ml users, sorry for not responding, but we can’t see your racist, misogynist, dehumanizing rants because you were banned from lemmy.ml two months ago 💅

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

Considering the low bar it takes to get banned from .ml... That doesn't mean a lot

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[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

I think @goat@sh.itjust.works has always been like this but it seems in the past he was able to hide it and make himself seem more genuine and less reactionary to others. Though now it seems the mask has fully come off. PTB for sure.

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