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Will they lobby for laws that prohibit Linux or make it difficult to install? What actions might they take in the future?

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[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 65 points 2 weeks ago

I believe they just don't care, since not only is Windows not very profitable anymore, the real money is at businesses. So as long as they sell licenses to businesses (business laptops, etc), but also GitHub Enterprise (yes, Micro$oft also owns GitHub) Microsoft earns enough money that way. And also think cloud (Azure)..

My guess is therefor that the focus on Windows isn't that big anymore. I just hope more companies and gaming devs/publishes also push native binaries towards Linux.

[-] audaxdreik@pawb.social 28 points 2 weeks ago

not only is Windows not very profitable anymore, the real money is at businesses.

Hear me out, this is exactly why they care. Windows as a product isn't profitable anymore, but as a market share it is. Apple has always enjoyed their locked down ecosystem and Google is trying to completely block side loading on devices we already largely don't have control over the bootloader. It's no secret Microsoft has been seething with jealousy for years.

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide

You're a soulless corporate ghoul, how do you make those numbers work for you? Why do you think they have the absolute gall to tell you to throw your computer out and get one that supports TPM 2.0? Why do you think there are still so many people willing or not that will swallow that bitter pill that's Windows 11?

I'm not trying to call you out in particular here or anything, but I think it's foolish to assume they don't

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[-] jokeyrhyme@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Agreed

I think Windows is primarily a development environment for Xbox, just as macOS is primarily a development environment for iOS Everything else of value from Microsoft is available via the web/cloud (even Office)

Eventually, Microsoft might even decide that it's more profitable to abandon Windows completely

[-] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

office 365 is a fraction of the true power of office. do not even try to compare the two.

[-] data1701d@startrek.website 7 points 2 weeks ago

I think you’re mixing up Office 365 and Office Online.

Office 365 is a subscription for Microsoft Office that includes access to both the full, more powerful desktop Office applications and the much less powerful Office Online.

Though I don’t think it’s even called Office 365 anymore, but I don’t respect MS enough to bother to Google what they’re calling it now.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago

MS hasn't released an Office version outside 365 for 8 years.

365 is Office for them.

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[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 48 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Embrace, extend, extinguish.

SQL Server runs on Linux. Azure supports Linux. The next step is to extend into their own distro, get everyone using it, then drop support for mainstream Linux.

Will it work? Maybe. They'll have to make Microsoft Linux more attractive than Debian and Red Hat.

[-] Valso@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

What do you think Ubuntu is? Microsoft's touch in it is so obvious that only a fool would miss it.

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 weeks ago

Microsoft already lost the home OS battle when people switch their main devices to smartphones with iOS or Android.

[-] audaxdreik@pawb.social 26 points 2 weeks ago

Some others have already said the "embrace, extend, extinguish" but here's my take on it. Pair it with Secure Boot and TPM 2.0

  • Embrace: Secure Boot can already work with Linux, how lucky! This gives them not exactly control, but authoritative denial over your boot process and hardware.
  • Extend: This is the part that remains to be seen. If they feel threatened enough by the shift in the gaming landscape, mind you not over losing out on sales or the hearts of gamers or anything, but again control, they may begin to make Linux offerings. A concession to allow an honest to god, thick Office client on Linux would certainly appeal to some. Adobe gets in on that action to back them up with Photoshop and Activision with Call of Duty, etc.
  • Extinguish: TPM 2.0. One of the less talked about features of this is remote attestation ("Remote attestation allows changes to the user's computer to be detected by authorized parties. For example, software companies can identify unauthorized changes to software, including users modifying their software to circumvent commercial digital rights restrictions." - DRM). We're already seeing this with CoD on Windows. They'll allow you to run much requested Windows software on Linux, even provide direct support possibly, but at the cost of not precisely control but authoritative denial. Which still works out to be control in most ways since if you want to use the software and they are to remotely attest, they can also insist that part of that attestation is you running some sort of telemetry or not running software they disagree with.

The reason I think this route is highly likely is because it plays well with uninformed consumers. To the untrained eye it looks like they're giving ground and actually allowing for broader support of their software while effectively gaining control over the environment once again and removing the biggest benefits of running FOSS on your system.

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Also worth noting that they own Github, which puts them in a position to disrupt a huge amount of Linux infrastructure if they ever feel like it. They might also pull some weird move like trying to buy Canonical or something like that.

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[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Exactly what they're doing right now. What cable companies did. What every dominant business does when something better starts to eat their lunch.

Become increasingly abusive and scummy towards the customers who are left, because they're either too deeply ingrained, spineless or lazy to change and they've already self-selected.

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly fine by me. I prefer Linux remain non-mainstream. It has integrity like this. The moment any suits see dollar signs on it, it’s as good as ruined.

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[-] Kirk@startrek.website 21 points 2 weeks ago

Windows is only 12% of Microsoft's revenue, and between Mac, Linux and ChromeOS, it really doesn't have a monopoly anymore on desktop (about 70%). On top of that, desktop usage in general is decreasing, and is already less than 50% of all web traffic.

What I'm saying is that I think it's safe to say something else will likely "kill" Windows long before Linux ever becomes a serious threat to it.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Windows is only 12% of Microsoft’s revenue

That may be true, but a lot of their profits build on that Windows monopoly. I wouldn't be surprised if about 80% of their profits depend on Windows.

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Do you have a source for that? This chart says otherwise:

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Thanks for the chart. 👍
Tomato tomato.
I wrote profits, and from the chart you show, clearly above 50% of their revenue is from Windows and derived products.
Last I heard the profit margin for Windows and Office was around 90%, AFAIK by far the highest of the business. So I'm pretty sure that combined with Server products Search and the part of gaming that is on Windows, it will be very close to 80% of the profits.

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[-] Auth@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

Work with hardware and software vendors to break linux compatibility.

[-] gian@lemmy.grys.it 6 points 2 weeks ago

Which in the precise moment when Linux is a serious threat is not possible since there is no assurance that the hardware vendors would accept, given they now have an alternative.

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[-] Ferk@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The desktop has been losing market for a while. I feel Windows is already under serious threat (if not already in the minority) when you think about all the devices that mainstream audiences orbit around (phones, tablets, portable consoles, etc), often using the Linux kernel. Only about a third of most website traffic comes from desktops.

Many of the people who frequently use Windows desktop do so because of their job, and often avoid using it outside of work as much as possible, since it feels like.. well, work.

Microsoft has been desperately trying to appeal to those other bigger sectors of the pie and has failed every time.

PC Gaming was one sector they had advantage on, yet that has already started to crumble thanks to Valve. I feel that MS will just try to push for integrating their xbox with Windows OS more and more...

I feel it's a battle with many fronts, since PCs have many uses.. so MS is likely to run their typical spiel: copy what the competition are doing and try to centralize/integrate it with their OS in a way that gives them an advantage, as they are famous for doing.

Another sector they can do this is with the WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux)... they could turn Windows into a frontend for running Linux apps... so if Linux apps became popular, they could try to advertise Windows as the "best" way to run Linux software without losing the full first party support of legacy Windows software.

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 15 points 2 weeks ago

Well there is the 9/11 change that may be happening soon: https://techrights.org/n/2025/08/26/The_UEFI_9_11_Part_I_Introduction_to_Impending_Catastrophe_Micr.shtml

Its possible a LOT of linux machines wont work after this date.

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[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hear me out on this one "Microsoft Linux"

[-] chaitae3@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Yes exactly. Embrace and extinguish has always been Microsoft's strategy. They'll release their own distribution and either make it slower and more complicated than Windows, so that everyone thinks Windows is the better OS, or they'll make it a cloud OS like Chrome, requiring recurring payments to use Office 365 and everything else.

[-] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

I see this as the most likely outcome as well. It's the preferred route, seen all of the place lately. Want to privatize a public service? Cripple the public service enough to "prove it doesn't work" to convince people privatization is the best option. I suspect most people would switch to Microsoft Linux over something "tech" sounding like Debian or Ubuntu. When the trial of their slowed down and crashy "Linux" comes to an end, Microsoft will offer an easy solution to switch back to Windows.

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[-] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago

Secure boot and anti-cheat.

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[-] codenul@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago

Some people including me maybe dont want Linux to become popular.

Can we please have something in this world that isnt ruined by the general population? They already ruined the internet -

[-] VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago
[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago
[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Not at all. More like not wanting to see some corporate entity start to turn it into another monetized trash heap that’s enshittified to be sold to the masses in bloated and corrupt form. There’s a legitimate argument for remaining the way it is.

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[-] moseschrute@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I think they’re saying they like Linux as it is and they don't want it to go mainstream. Like when your favorite band gets popular and suddenly tickets cost 10x as much. So Linux will soon cost 10x its current price of free, and nobody will be able to afford it.

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[-] kepix@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

pays even more to hardware manufacturers to add windows by default, and make drivers windows only.

[-] ulu_mulu@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 weeks ago

It's mobile devices that are eroding Windows market share on desktops, not Linux.

Linux already dominates the server space, it runs the internet and super computing, but it will NEVER be a threat to Microsoft on desktops.

[-] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago

Never say never

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[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Linux has been becoming a "serious threat" for 20+ years now. I'll wait.

Don't get me wrong I like Linux a lot. But if you step back and look objectively, it has a lot of issues trying to grow outside the hobby/enthusiast community for the desktop.

[-] zygo_histo_morpheus@programming.dev 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think that linux has a couple of things that might help it grow outside its traditional niche that it hasn't in the past. Proton has been a major step forward in to the gaming scene. A lot of people are very unhappy about windows 11. The EU in particular is also investing in ways to get out from under American techs thumb due to the geopolitical landscape.

I don't have too high expectations personally but who knows.

[-] Majestic@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

Make a version of Office that works on Linux natively.

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[-] eldain@feddit.nl 10 points 2 weeks ago

Adapt and fight. Linux is the dominant OS for everything, so Windows started to support it (wsl) so they don't loose developers. Secure boot worked as a moat for a while and the MS monopoly on OS keys is still an obstacle. Linux works better on ARM than Windows, so obviously Qualcom Laptops have a locked down bootloader. They will continue to lock themselfes into the future with money and development resources.

[-] tekato@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Desktop users (except for business) don’t make Microsoft any money, so they probably don’t care.

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly, ms won't do anything.

unofficial statement out of Microsoft have Linux VMs overtaking the Windows VMs in Azure.

Why should they worry about losing a once off $1100 sale of a Server 2025 license when they can sell you a 2 CPU 8Gb ram Azure VM for $150 a month? Or $113/m commited for 3 years ($4000 total)

[-] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago

They will adapt.

Embrace, extend, extinguish. They will become Linux.

In all seriousness, if you look into how windows manages its security now, it leverages virtualization to essentially run windows inside of a hypervisor. At some point in the future, the legacy windows kernel is going to just be another virtual machine running side by side with Linux and the hypervisor will probably run their HyperV tech on top of a Linux (compatible) kernel.

Then they will say that you need their version of Linux to run specific hardware and software.

EEE

[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Maybe requiring locking bootloader "for safety" on desktop computers if they want to run windows 12

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[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Just my guess here, but...

The desktop/laptop sort of form factor is associated in people's minds with unlocked bootloaders. People expect to be able to install Linux on them if they want to. Tablets, game systems, and other sorts of consumer electronics, not so much. I'm thinking Microsoft will do what it can to push hardware manufacturers and the software industry as a whole more in the direction of the kinds of devices that consumers already expect to be locked down like tablets or game systems that are "streaming" game systems. And that way, the bootloader will prevent folks from switching to Linux.

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