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Hey, we got some troll baiting going on in this thread. Don't fall for it. If you start to feel angry, that's the point.
Go after the idea, not the user.
It blows my mind how US americans just accept that they are having such a high murder rate at all. The murder rate in San Francisco is still too high, if you compare it with other nations and their cities. Considering how much surveillance and how much money their government pumps in the police system… you would think they finally would wake up and find out that all those measures are only in place to protect the capital of the ruling class and not the citizens…
Yeah, the 32 of 827k population SF is pretty damn awful when compared to the 54 of 6m population Denmark or the 13 of 1.4m population Copenhagen..
One of a million pieces of data pointing at the fact that surveillance and law enforcement is NOT how you bring down crime.
It blows my mind how US americans just accept that they are having such a high murder rate at all.
Genuine question (for you or anyone else with the same mentality): what would you do? Everyone on this website talks about how weird Americans are for just "being ok with everything going on" when in fact most of us aren't and have practically no ability to do anything about it that doesn't result in our own immediate death.
Besides, "amass enough capital (in a system designed to prevent you from amassing capital) to leave this shitty country", what would you actually do? Since it's mind blowing that we're not doing it and all...
(Sorry if this comes across as angry or directed at you, it's frustrating to live in a dumpster fire and read comments all day from people not in the dumpster fire implying that I'm just totally ok with said dumpster fire.)
There are multiple factors contributing to high murder rates:
- Guns: ban them.
- Mental health: provide free support for mental health issue, including a phone number where people can safely report friends and relatives in crisis. Today if you report, they send police officers totally untrained and unprepared for these situations and that easily ends up in drama
- Gangs: a lot of the murders are gang members against gang members. There is no miraculous solution to that. But I would advocate: decriminalize possession of small amounts of drugs, provide shooting rooms with support (both physical and mental) freely available. I would even support offering drugs substitutes for free under control. If the drug price collapses, their business collapses.
So: vote for someone who will support social science based policies.
I'm sorry there are no easier way. "Get tough on crime" is the solution that was experimented the most and has proven again and again to be inefficient.
Edit: you may already be doing that, don't take this as an assumption you don't. I understand the frustration and that feeling of being powerless while people ask you "why aren't you DOING something about it?".
You are not wrong about 2 and 3. But right now banning guns will make the other side of the issue worse: the police.
As an individual: Definitely leave. Generally I think some people ought to shut up and get the hell out instead of impotently complaining online.
I think what these posters are asking about, though, is how it is possible that the American people in aggregate support this system? And they do. Just like how about half of Israelis support Netanyahu. Sure sure. Electoral college, voting system, bla bla. Trump won the popular vote against Harris. How? This is clearly an electorate that itself is the problem. The people of the US doesn't suffer under its government. The people of the US suffers because it chooses to.
I literally don't have the money to leave
Leave to become an immigrant in another country that ends up deporting us?
Using all this money that we don't have?
Bringing our direct family with us, tearing them away from friendships and other family?
Cool idea
I see you want to live in the US after all. Valid thing to do. But don't complain about the consequences.
you act as if leaving a country like the US, and emigrating to another is that easy? its not the EU where you can move much more freely in the continent. cultural, financial, language barriers exists.
You can move freely in the EU, but all the non-legal barriers are the same as everywhere else.
And what about the consequences of leaving? You expect me to think the US is the only country that has been becoming more hostile to immigrants?
Oh, some of us a are very aware. But theres not much we can do when living in a facist police state that has half the country raving mad about where people shit with their fearmongering propaganda.
There's no such thing as a "Republican state," nearly every state is split somewhere between 51/49 and 60/40. There are "Republican-run states," but inside every Republican-run state is a "Democrat-run city" which has been a convenient narrative for Republicans of late. Houston's mayor is a Democrat, and Harris county has more registered Democrats than Republicans; in 2024 metro Houston voted for Kamala over Trump.
Whether Abbot or Whitmire is more to blame for Houston's violence is just a political distraction. Both bear some responsibility and I'm tired of both sides running finger-pointing narratives rather than trying to find constructive solutions.
I hear there is a national guard bonanza going on? Maybe ask them to help get all that crime off your streets Texas.
And I just went to look up the homicide numbers for Philly out of instinct. 262 last year.. Which is 36% less than the previous year. And still higher per capita than Houston.
Go birds!
What’s the per capita rate?
Looks like Houston is 11.5 and San Francisco is 4 per 100k.
Thanks, this should almost be annotated on the image before reposting here - so important
I’d argue about per capita but nobody who sees this cares about that.
I mean...
A population of 873,965 in San Fran vs 2,304,580 in Houston.
1 in ~25,000 people in San Fran get murdered vs 1 in ~7,150 people in Houston. That's ~3.5x higher. Per capita isn't helping much here.
I’m not saying SF is more dangerous. I’m just saying people are idiots who don’t understand statistics. Which is what got us into this mess.
It's helping a lot
this is what right wingers actually believe in general, they believe its higher because of gun control.
The murder rate in the USA, for a supposed 1st World civilized country is fucking pathetic. Life is cheap in the USA. The labor laws and healthcare system stress out society and one has nothing to lose. Yes, the Red Run Oblasts have plenty of violent crime and gun related deaths.
its designed that way, so the "oligarchs can stay rich more easier and not get taxed. Poor education, poor healthcare, breeds cannon fodder for the military, and for profit prisons, which apparently, prisoners are used as part of the census for gop states.
Cars are actually a bigger threat than guns in San Francisco. There were 41 traffic fatalities last year, and on average traffic violence seriously injures 8 people each day. I suspect the situation is similar in Houston.
gun culture isnt a thing in sf, but the amount of car collision related death is very high. alot of people dont know how to drive, many are drunk, or on thier phones. i think last year, alone on one stop a driver end up killing a bunch of people on a bus stop on a public transit hub.
It's called overreporting.
Make more than one report on the same one crime, so people will think it's multiple different crimes.
Did they really take artistic liberties to make the Bay Bridge coloration look like the Golden Gate?
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Could really see Newsom becoming president of the future New California Republic. Not saying I like that future. But I am starting to see it how it could come to pass
Wait at first everyone mostly libs hated Newsom now he is making fun of Trump and now y’all taking him serious ? Dems party is dead with no leader for the next decade!
Yeah it pains me too, but it seems that being a trollish funnyman who makes good screenshots worth reposting is the essence of electability in 2025
Nah, libs adore him and always have. That's how he gets elected.
Those of us on the actual LEFT who're paying attention to his policies and other actions that aren't pure PR gimmicks and "sounds good on the surface" never could stand him, though, and would be enormous hypocrites to applaud his fighting gerrymandering with gerrymandering.
I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted (there are deleted child comments so maybe that's where the issue lies), you're pretty spot on. When I was less politically educated (I don't pretend to be the most informed now) and considered myself a liberal I was pretty cool with Newsom. Never looked into much of his policies but the headlines usually phrased things in a way that aligned with my ideals at the time so I was ok with him. Now that I'm a good deal older and pay a bit more attention to things I think he's a complete tool, but in a freak scenario where Trump gets elected for an illegal 3rd term and goes full dictator and Newsom successfully secedes California from the US, California is the obvious option.
It wouldn't be the New California Republic, the current state government is the California Republic. The Republic was more or less established after annexation.
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Let's see, Houston has ~4X the population and ~10x the murders. So unless that equation is known to be non linear, that seems pretty bad Mr abbot
Mr abbot: who gives a fuck about brown people?!
What the hell is Abbott supposed to do about it? Send in the state guard?
How about calling a special session to get the legislators to use state state money to address the root causes like systemic inequality against poor brown people? You know, an empathetic human approach?
But of course he's a republican and so only has a flaming ball of tar where his soul should be, so that's never going to happen.
The idea that a Democrat might have done wrong is more important than the reality that a Republican definitely did wrong.
Wait, they're biased, and constantly lie? Huh. We should tell everyone, that'll fix it.
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