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The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

"[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

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[-] Stupidmanager@lemmy.world 52 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

Not yet. ICE does in a way, but not police… yet.

[-] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 32 points 2 months ago

The problem with the rule of law is that everyone has to be accountable and believe that the law is on their side. Friends, neighbours, strangers, police, politicians etc all are expected to do the right thing. When those in authority don’t the whole thing breaks down. In this case the 2 perps probably had observed how ICE gets around and emulated the behaviour. Lucky the homeowner was using an earlier version of lawful behaviour as a guide.

[-] RUN_DMG@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

It wasn't even like he preemptively shot at them first. They tried to shoot down the door.

[-] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

"[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

Note to self: make sure to have easily available lights flashing if you're going to do a home invasion.

Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

What a load of shit. SWAT goddamn will wear ski masks.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If swats coming, you're gonna know it. There is no mistaking that IF your even see them before your door blows off it's hinges.

[-] kriz@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago

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[-] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

Police said the two men were wearing bulletproof vests and had some sort of badge around their necks.

Those bulletproof vests don't seem to have been of much use....

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 2 months ago

A bullet proof vest is more of a bullet resistant vest if it doesn't have strike plates, and even then common rifles can penetrate at close range.

[-] ansiz@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Even if these guys were actually ICE agents and were killed, odds are the feds would just deny it and keep moving forward. But the way I know they weren't is just because there were only 2 of them and the homeowner wasn't shot and killed by other ICE agents.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago

They have so much money and people, they probably won't even notice these two missing.

[-] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

ICE has been essentially deputizing civilians who go through their little training program. That's right, people from your own community are donning masks to go play fedpig and live out their fantasies of hurting brown people. Makes for easier deniability on the part of the feds when the inevitable occurs and one of these cowboy mercenaries gets merked by a 2nd-amendment-enjoyer.

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

If you have a door cam, never answer the door unless you know the person.

Use sense, cops wear body armor and show up in numbers for a warrant, obviously armed, and not in street clothes in one car that isn't an American brand. If they try to kick down the door, shoot through the door until you know you fucked up. If they use a battering ram, don't make the situation worse and hope for a fat payout through the courts if you aren't up to some shit.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Story says "some sort of badge around their necks". So we're they impersonating cops?

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago

Did any real people get shot?

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