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So for context, I went to first grade in mainland China before immigrating to the United States, in China, they teach kids this weird trick that's basically like reciting a "poem" thing, which I didn't remember what it was called until I recently googled it. Its apparantly called the "九九乘法口诀表" or 9x9 Song / "The Nine-nine song" (Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_multiplication_table#The_Nine-nine_song_text_in_Chinese).

So like... in 2nd grade, for which I was in the US, multiplication was very easy for me, well... at least up to 10x10. Like idk how to explain it to someone who's doesn't speak a variant of Chinese, and even the rhythm only works for me in Mandarin somehow, when I try to use Cantonese, which is the language I speak at home in the US, I cannot replicate the rhythm to make thay thing work, this "Poem"/"Song" is only available to me in Mandarin, like when I think about multiplying together any 2 single digit number, I instictively use the "九九乘法口诀表".

Like its goes from 1x1 then next lines are 1x2, 2x2, then next are 1x3, 2x3, 3x3, then its 1x4, 2x4, 3x4, 4x4, etc... you get the idea, mutiples of 1, then 2, then 3. So if I need to multiply something by 7, I can start from the line where multiples of 7 are. Sometimes I can remember the exact phrase of it like for example 3x7, without starting from 1x7, then 2x7, then 3x7.

Like I never thought too hard about it, it kinda just became the "normal" way I do multiplication. But someone asked a question on Lemmy about reading analog clocks and I probably didn't answer their question correctly but that was when I kinda was like: oh wow I forgot that my way of multiplication is probably different from everyone else in the west.

Like if you told me to teach a English-Only speaker on how to do multiplication tables, I... um... I don't know how I would teach that, the "九九乘法口诀表" doesn't have the rhythm in English so I doubt converting the it to English would work.

Like even though I speak English as my primary language now, and I barely have any fluency in Mandarin or even Cantonese which I speak at home (and never learned any vocabulary beyond the basics), the "九九乘法口诀表" multiplication thing is always done in mandarin somehow, like its always been stuck in my brain even after all these years in the US.

TLDR answer to my own question. I do it using "九九乘法口诀表" which takes me 1-2 seconds to recall a specific line, so basically, anything up to 10x10 takes about 2 seconds for my brsin to process, 11x11x to 12x12 takes about 5-10 seconds, anything bigger and I just giveup using my brain and pull out a calculator. I memorized 10x10 since first grade, then 12x12 probably by like 2nd grade or maybe first half of 3rd grade.

How do y'all do it, is it easy or hard?

Edit: Okay so the best way for me to explain "九九乘法口诀表" is that: Think of PEMDAS (order of operations), but its for the entire multiplication up to 9x9.

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[-] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I was 8 years old when I learned the multiplication table and I honed it through repetition over the next couple years. Everyone in our class had a multiplication table taped to the upper left corner of our desks. I think it was optional. Not required. It was more of a fashion statement at the time, showing who had a "Trapper Keeper" because we'd cut that multiplication table out of the corner of one of the folders that the trapper keepers came with. So it was in style at the time in the mid 1980s. In idle moments I'd study it. It was fascinating as I began to notice the patterns and the magic of the math and it was fun to learn & memorize. Grateful to learn that in my youth because my brain would not be so pliable & spongelike these days.

[-] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

One of the very few teachers I remember (I’m 68) was Fred Ross due to how effectively he taught me the times tables and more. That guy for months on end drilled the times tables into our heads by repetition. There were no calculators or internet then so it was the most effective way and it worked too.

He also posed a question that to this day I have not found the answer. An English only word with the letter q in it but no u after the q. Can only be a regular word not a name or a city.

[-] sem 2 points 1 day ago

I for sure learned the 11 times tables first and best. Up to 10.

[-] sleepmode@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Parents got me this plastic grid with buttons containing the problem and when you pushed them, the translucent plastic would show the answer. I memorized them pretty quickly. Not sure if it was the right way to learn but it stuck with me.

[-] meekah@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

we just went to 10x10, and I think we did that in like 2nd grade. so like 8yo. we just had to straight up memorize it, no helpful song or anything. We did it in sections though, so one day we were supposed to memorize 1x1 to 1x10, another day 2x1 to 2x10 etc.

I can remember 11x11 because it is annoyingly 121 not 111, and 12x12 is 144 which I find kinda easy to remember because of gaming monitors using 144hz (I don't get why my brain makes those kinda associations, it just works for me idk). 11x12 is weird because it is the first multiplication where my brain starts picking it apart like 11x12 = (10x12) + (1x12) = 120 + 12 = 132

[-] sem 2 points 1 day ago

I also remember 144 being particularly pleasing. Also because it was the biggest number on the table.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 6 points 2 days ago

Rural US in the 1980s and we learnt it starting at I think like 8-9 years old. At the time 9x9 was all we learnt and we were just expected to memorize our "times tables". I don't recall any song or anything.

[-] innermachine@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I was born in 97, also expected to just "memorize" the tables. I never did, and despite my teacher in 3rd grade insisting we would never have a calculator on us at all times, I do in fact have a calculator (phone) in my pockets at all time to do menial math for me.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 1 points 2 days ago

I was out doing parking lot and road striping doing all the math in my head or on paper to make fit things in, make sure we were square to the curb occasionally, etc. as a young adult. IIRC, the spots were 7-8 feet wide (depending upon what the client wanted, but I think our normal was 8) so knowing your times tables (or, more accurately, multiples of 8) when running down the tape measure made things easier. Pythagorean theorum for checking square to the curb or some other fixed point. More fun math (that I now forget) for doing things on curves.

This would have been 2001, I think, and we probably had a calculator bouncing around somewhere in the truck, but we never used it. No smartphones or tablets in those days.

I still sometimes just go wherever without my phone (more often on accident, but occasionally on purpose), but I definitely don't find myself doing math on the fly too much, heh. Imma go be old somewhere else now.

[-] JusticeForPorygon 27 points 3 days ago

I had the typical American experience of sitting with my dad every day for a couple weeks crying while he repeats "WHAT'S SEVEN TIMES THREE

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[-] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago

Learned them about age 6, up to 12x12. Still know them, and takes a lot less than 1-2 seconds to call them to mind.

Except 7x6 and 8x6 which, for some reason, I've never been able to learn so I always end up going from 6x6 = 36.

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

it's 7x8 that always gave me a slight delay

[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 days ago

I want to say we were supposed to learn them in second grade in Canada, but I personally never did. My memory isn't good enough, so to this day, I just work it out in my head. For small numbers like 1-12, its easy enough to break it down to smaller parts and solve quickly anyway.

[-] TheEntity@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Same here. Nobody ever noticed, so why even bother with memorizing if I can calculate it fast enough.

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[-] dil@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

I just memorized it to be the fastest and get candy, I was a fat kid, and memorizing the single digits is necessary to do math in your head? I never understood how to use my hands and i cant hold a visual that well, like 3 apples become 5 become 1 become a truck in the span of a second

[-] Forester@pawb.social 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

American I think by 4th grade we had to know up to 12 x12

For me I memorized all the self multiples then would subtract or add mentally

Ie 5 X 7 =? Well 5X5= 25 And 5X2=10

so 5X7 =35

So half route memorization half transative properties of multiplication

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

really? how long ago was that?

20 years ago in Ontario I remember doing multiplication table competitions in grade 6 classes, so I assume we didn't need to fully know them before then

[-] Forester@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

I went to primary school back in the 00s

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

As long as you work with decimal numbers, there is no need to actually go beyond 10x10. Heck, even 9x9 would suffice, as times ten is just adding the zero. Anything else is derived from that.

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[-] starlinguk@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

I memorized them. 'I didn't feel like it' was not an option. We did times tables every morning, everyone knew them after a while.

[-] TeddE@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

My dad played a kind of patty-cake growing up where I practiced doing times tables in rhythm. My dad would pick the addend and set the pace, and we'd alternate left and right hand high fives while saying say multiples of four. 4 8 12 … 36 40, then we'd just switch to 7's, slightly slower pacing 7 14 20~ … if i made mistakes - 21, let's try again: 7 14 21 2…8 35 … no reprimand for error - we had a beat to keep, just take a downbeat and try again. Of course simpler numbers were taken further 3s were occasionally done out to 300, and 2s were done as fast as I could spit out the words. 5s were often the rest set, done at a basic pace.

The madlad had me polishing my 13×13s before school ever even mentioned the existence of multiplication.

[-] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

That sounds like a fun way to learn.

[-] NorthWestWind@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I did it in Cantonese, probably similar to the Mandarin poem.

I think my mom started making me memorize it in the last year of kindergarten (I was 5yo). By the time multiplication becomes the main topic in primary 2 (2nd grade) maths, I didn't really have much problem doing them. It was really useful to have it recited.

[-] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 3 days ago

I never did. I was never interested in memorization, when I already had ways to do multiplication slowly using basic principles.

I still pull out a calculator for nearly every calculation. I can't do 6×7 instantly, if I don't have a calculator I'd take my time and break it down to something that I can solve. And sometimes I get it wrong.

That's never stopped me though. I'm studying electrical engineering and computer science, both of which are very math-heavy, and I get top grades. Most exams allow a calculator anyway.

That's said, I don't recommend this way of life. I think the multiplication table is genuinely really useful to have memorized. I'm a bit of an idiot for never doing that.

[-] megane_kun@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

I was only taught up to 10×10 in primary school, and learned mostly by rote (and also, "skip counting"). I've also heard of some techniques like matching fingers to do one-digit multiplication, but I never really learned how to do that. By that point, I've mostly memorized the multiplication table up to 10.

For 11, it's absurdly easy once I got the technique, just double the number (up until 9). 11×10 is just appending a zero, and 11×11 I just memorized.

For 12, I actually didn't bother that much? 12×N = 10×N + 2×N. Thus, 12×11 = 110 + 24 = 134 and 12×12 = 120 + 24 = 144 (which I got memorized for some reason).

I still have some trouble with the 6, 7, and sometimes 8 multiplication tables, but I can usually recall it with a bit of effort. Not much, but not without some awkward pause.

Now, for how I got to memorize it. The process was hard at first. I had to recite the multiplication tables as a drill almost everyday. We also had long quizzes (hundred items) of one-digit multiplication and two-digit division (by the fourth grade), so there's an incentive to memorize the tables if only to be able to get through those quizzes with minimal pain. There's also a social stigma for being the last person to get done with those quizzes (or worse, running out of time), so there's that pressure too.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 11 points 3 days ago

We stopped at 10x10. I'm still bad at them!

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Much easier when I learned you just take the previous number and add + whatever to it.

5 X 8 = 40
5 X 9 = 45 (40+5)
5 X 10 = 50 (45+5)
5 X 11 = 55 (50+5)
5 X 12 = 60 (55+5)

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

The moderator has become the moderated. I'd love to see what was said here.

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[-] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

I believe in 2nd grade I memorized tables from 1-12. Practice makes you quicker with things and as I don't multiply random numbers often it will take me a couple seconds to recall the answer

[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 9 points 3 days ago

Never really memorized it. I just calculated it in my head, unless I had a calculator accessible. It’s slow, but gets the job done.

I got quite fluent in matrix multiplication for a while during my university years. That’s what linear algebra and no calculator exams does to one.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago

3rd grade, it was easier to do algebra because of it, then do arithmetic.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I think they start doing it in second grade but I'm not positive on that.

If i remember, the way I was taught was by doing basic single digit multiplication in many different contexts so much that I slowly internalized the math. There were multiplication tables we filled out in class, multiplication videogames, multiplication flash cards, multiplication board games, multiplication storybooks, multiplication puzzles, multiplication games in PE.

And I was primed for learning division in preschool through the concept of sharing. If you have 18 cupcakes and eight friends, how many should your friends and yourself get? If you have a pizza with 12 slices and four friends, how do you share fairly? If you think about it, that's the multiplication table they were teaching me there, just slower and backwards.

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