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[-] kittenzrulz123 25 points 9 hours ago

People who unironically belive that you can create real change by "voting harder" are the same people who think you can climb the economic ladder by "pulling yourself by the bootstrings"

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

The guy is still running and the people can still vote for him. I'm not even sure that this endorsement is that necessary for this position:

The party hadn’t endorsed a mayoral candidate in 16 years prior to backing Fateh.

Whatever the feelings about the DFL and how they handled it, the power of the vote would seem to be intact. It's a bit premature to be fatalistic about voting in this particular scenario.

The Democrats who are refusing to respect "blue no matter who" as they support Cuomo anyway is worthy of criticism, but even then he is still the official candidate and the people can vote. The Cuomo supporters are acting poorly, but again, the vote at least still matters.

Raise awareness as well about these moves, but don't be dismissive of the voting.

[-] ALLHAILHYPNOTOAD@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 hours ago

We need a true leftist workers party so bad in America. Democrats are center right.

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 hours ago

In Europe, most "worker's " parties have become center with a tiny dash of left for "color". The sad thing is that real left parties are musty old "real" socialism parties, either populist or tankies.

What we need is a "fourth way" of politics, a system that makes billionaires impossible, that fosters public services, including housing, cares for the needy, etc, but also promotes entrepreneurship, taxes progressively, guards society against the excesses of capitalism, etc.

Planned economies defininitely don't work.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago

What we need is some way to have all our groceries in one bag, but that bag isn't heavy.

[-] migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago

Tell that to China, with their 5 year plans. Capitalism is also not the way to move forward - it heavily promotes inequality and strife in the world.

Caring for the needy isn't charity, it's making sure they aren't needy. Promoting entrepreneurship isn't companies popping up left and right doing Uber but for dogs kind of idea, it's solving the world's biggest problems with new ideas.

You can't guard society against the excesses of capitalism because capitalism promotes corruption, artificial scarcity, and waste of resources by design.

With this being said, to change how the western world acts we must recognize that the party system exists to sustain itself and we won't have real change if we don't change it for power to be given to real people and not career politicians (or build guillotines)

[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 36 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

The Democratic Party is a honey pot trap used to attract and neutralize progressive and leftist politicians and policies and ensure that the “Overton Window” of American politics never moves left. They will let you “talk” about universal healthcare, for example, but they will never, EVER allow it to move forward as a serious legislative agenda.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 14 points 9 hours ago

Never forget that Obama had two whole years of a significant Democratic majority in both Congress AND Senate, and still somehow couldn't muster the cojones to pass anything even close to the socialised healthcare he'd campaigned on and had a huge popular mandate for.

Someone please explain why it is that when Republicans are the minority they have the ability to block absolutely everything the ruling party attempts, and yet when the Democrats are in opposition suddenly somehow it's impossible for them to do anything?

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

They simply don't want to.
Once it can happen, when it's a pattern happening their entire history it should be obvious.
The game is R: 5 steps right, D: 1 step left. But apparently americans can't see it.
Totally their own fault.
it's a running joke, especially now.
The game format inevitably results in a far-right stage eventually.
And yet they cry crocodile tears and are confused how they ended up there.

[-] ALLHAILHYPNOTOAD@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 hours ago

Obama actually ran on the heritage foundation Romney care plan. It was Hillary Clinton during the 2008 primary that actually ran on a public option.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 hours ago

He didn't pass that either, though, only a massively watered-down version of it packed with every compromise the Republicans demanded, to make sure that the healthcare companies still got to keep over 15% of households in medical debt.

[-] yucandu@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

See I think that kind of defeatist logic is the trap - they flood the internet with pessimism and "there's no point in trying" and "there's no point in voting" to make sure YOU don't try. To make sure all you do is sit on your ass at home and complain on the internet.

[-] ALLHAILHYPNOTOAD@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 hours ago

The only way to change America is to remove billionaires from existing. As long as they hold all the power, nothing will get better significantly.

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[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I never said any of that shit. The point is that, tactically speaking, we should be dealing with them as they are, and not giving them the benefit of the doubt, assuming they are on our side and operating in good faith, like the tired meme of Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown.

The threat is existential, and there should be qualifying and disqualifying criteria, and that criteria should be set by US, not some party dignitaries, not some fucking “consultants” who are getting money from billionaire funded PAC’s and think tanks.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 hours ago

That's not defeatist.

Defeatism is deciding now, over 3 years before the next election and 15 months before midterms, that there's no way you get someone elected who actually represents you, so you should just suck it up and vote for Kodos.

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