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[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 49 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

The Democratic Party is a honey pot trap used to attract and neutralize progressive and leftist politicians and policies and ensure that the “Overton Window” of American politics never moves left. They will let you “talk” about universal healthcare, for example, but they will never, EVER allow it to move forward as a serious legislative agenda.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 27 points 17 hours ago

Never forget that Obama had two whole years of a significant Democratic majority in both Congress AND Senate, and still somehow couldn't muster the cojones to pass anything even close to the socialised healthcare he'd campaigned on and had a huge popular mandate for.

Someone please explain why it is that when Republicans are the minority they have the ability to block absolutely everything the ruling party attempts, and yet when the Democrats are in opposition suddenly somehow it's impossible for them to do anything?

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago

They simply don't want to.
Once it can happen, when it's a pattern happening their entire history it should be obvious.
The game is R: 5 steps right, D: 1 step left. But apparently americans can't see it.
Totally their own fault.
it's a running joke, especially now.
The game format inevitably results in a far-right stage eventually.
And yet they cry crocodile tears and are confused how they ended up there.

[-] ALLHAILHYPNOTOAD@lemmy.ml 10 points 17 hours ago

Obama actually ran on the heritage foundation Romney care plan. It was Hillary Clinton during the 2008 primary that actually ran on a public option.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

It was Hillary Clinton during the 2008 primary that actually ran on a public option.

Liar. Obama ran on a public option and no individual mandate. Clinton ran on no public option and an individual mandate.

Centrists are allergic to telling the truth.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 14 points 17 hours ago

He didn't pass that either, though, only a massively watered-down version of it packed with every compromise the Republicans demanded, to make sure that the healthcare companies still got to keep over 15% of households in medical debt.

[-] yucandu@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago

See I think that kind of defeatist logic is the trap - they flood the internet with pessimism and "there's no point in trying" and "there's no point in voting" to make sure YOU don't try. To make sure all you do is sit on your ass at home and complain on the internet.

[-] ALLHAILHYPNOTOAD@lemmy.ml 13 points 17 hours ago

The only way to change America is to remove billionaires from existing. As long as they hold all the power, nothing will get better significantly.

[-] yucandu@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Alright so what are YOU going to do to help make that happen?

[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I never said any of that shit. The point is that, tactically speaking, we should be dealing with them as they are, and not giving them the benefit of the doubt, assuming they are on our side and operating in good faith, like the tired meme of Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown.

The threat is existential, and there should be qualifying and disqualifying criteria, and that criteria should be set by US, not some party dignitaries, not some fucking “consultants” who are getting money from billionaire funded PAC’s and think tanks.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 9 points 17 hours ago

That's not defeatist.

Defeatism is deciding now, over 3 years before the next election and 15 months before midterms, that there's no way you get someone elected who actually represents you, so you should just suck it up and vote for Kodos.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 17 hours ago
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