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Everyone knows the democrats will do this every time. “Vote blue no matter who” is a crock of shit and every single person who gives you shit for not voting for Harris and her shitty campaign that pandered to the right and Israel can be directed to party leadership’s behavior here and in New York
If they can run the risk of handing over mayorships to republicans because the “blue” candidate isn’t correctly blue then logically I can say I’m not going to back any genocide enabling, insider trading, corporate slaves who will sell out any marginalized group to keep their entrenched power (see newsoms pandering anti trans bullshit to charlie kirk).
"Vote blue no matter who" is a direct result of FPTP voting. Until that's fixed, yeah keep voting blue...if there isn't a more progressive candidate.
We need a viable third party and the time to start one was November 6, 2024. We're past the point to make a dent in the midterms (assuming we have elections) but we have time to run progressive candidates.
The time to do something different always seems to be some other time than now.
Yep! Especially if the dogma is "3--4 years ahead of the next election" while having one every 2 years.
Building a party doesn't mean aiming for victory right next election. It takes time. It will take a lot of time starting from now, or from next year.
The best time to start it was before xxx. The next best time is now.
We cannot vote our way out of this
Idk how many times the democrats need to prove this, but the DNC exists to protect capital interests against socialist policies and candidates.
This isn't a problem with FPTP systems, its a problem of class conflict, and our whole fucking system was built with it in mind. Democrats will sooner partner with fascists to arrest progressive opposition than allow them to pull the country to the left of them.
The issue is that with ballot access laws, third parties have to have a ton of momentum. And Democrats systematically engage in lawfare to kick third parties and other individuals off the ballot - look it up, they fight anyone to the left of them with more cohesion than they fight Republicans or Trump.
Yup. I wanted to vote for the socialist candidate last election, and democrats sued her off the ballot.
That did not result in me voting for Harris, but it did convince me to refuse to vote for any down ballot democrats.
My party also had no candidate on the ballot because they were sued by the Dems. Not sure who they think they're winning over with that.
That's because their donors tell them who to fight, and it's almost never the people to their right because Republicans don't threaten the donors' wealth.
Most Democrats don't want to fix FPTP because it keeps people voting for them. If a Democrat doesn't explicitly oppose FPTP, then their actions say they support where we are right now.
We spend so much time yelling at internet people for not understanding the obvious logic of FPTP, yet give legislators the benefit of the doubt election after election. Yes they fucking know, it slapped everyone in the face in 2000.
There have been third parties for decades but they won't become viable until after they have been not viable. This scale of coordination takes more than 4 years. The first person you know who will vote against FPTP is you.
Except it goes out the window when the party isn't able to keep progressives off the ballot.
Your valid criticism is just purity testing to these people. I'm not sure what causes people to blindly worship the party to the degree that they do, but there has to be a way to bridge the gap.
The system isn't working at all here in America.
We are voting blue because the alternative is literal fascism as we're experiencing here, we don't have the political system set up for third-party voting, that begins at fucking HOME.
Get involved in your local governments and stop whinging about the federal elections. Your largely-ignored local and state elections are what gave all this mess the power it didn't deserve.
I mean, there's still a CHANCE to turn it around and restructure our government and our voting so we have actual choices, but right now, because everyone has been swayed or turned apathetic, we don't have a viable means for voting for anyone that isn't picked by the right or the further right.
Instead of shaming people for voting for Harris, we would do a lot better telling people who in their local states and cities need more support.
The left needs to get it's fart-huffing head out of its collective ass and stop trying to bicker and shame each other performatively. You want real results you get involved from the ground up. Otherwise you're just displaying how much better you are for internet points.
edit: the fact that this is still getting kids butthurt out there encourages me, I WANT you to be mad. Get fucking MAD you hyper-sensitive dipshits. Then point it where it belongs and go outside and touch grass and get involved in your community, learn to socialize without being self-obsessed, stop feeling entitled to some kind of relief or absolution or validation, you're exactly the same as MAGA if you're sitting there mad that someone has criticism of your movement's tactics or lack thereof. UNIFY.
I'd argue that organizing a nationwide vote of no confidence for our entire government is imperative instead of playing games with the Democrats who prop up fascism by alienating people who want to achieve progress.
There is no precedent, but being held hostage to a broken system and playing in a rigged game will get us nowhere without extremely radical campaign finance reform and voting/election reform.
You need money to win elections, progressives and leftists or left-leaning individuals can't compete with big money.
What the Democrats were doing in Gaza was literal fascism.
Lol, hypocrite.
So as one of those terminally online, over-educated, ‘dreamer’ leftists, I’m pretty tired of being vote-cucked in cycle after cycle by Democrat faithful and the DNC with “…but have you seen the Republican candidate?” messaging. I’m mad about the policy platform, but recognize the electoral games. You can convince me of the ‘lesser harm’ arguments, but that increasingly does not work with regular voters.
Voting is transactional, not aspirational. Reward voter’s loyalty with policies and governance that actually improves their lives, instead of protecting the Dow and NASDAQ. Someone who is struggling to pay for shelter and healthcare doesn’t give a flying fart about ‘muh institutions’ or ‘procedural issues’ they want results. They’ve been chided and goaded in past elections and didn’t see demonstrable improvements, but instead a widening wealth gap and decreased purchasing power amid windfall corporate profits.
Because this what the “vote blue no matter who” modality brings. Cynically wielding the right to ensure electoral compliance doesn’t work. Offering no real concrete policies or cross-party priorities like they used to doesn’t make people want to vote for you.
The party has shown its ass multiple times, and the electorate isn’t as stupid as the beltway folks think they are. Look at the ballot affiliation reports and see how cooked the party is, 4.5 million people said ‘nah they dgaf about me’