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All boxers, including Algeria's Imane Khelif, who won Olympic gold last summer amid scrutiny over a disputed failed gender eligibility test conducted by a different body, will be unable to compete without a test which reveals their biological sex.

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[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 20 points 18 hours ago

So when do the men get their genitals inspected?

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

In fairness, no one cares if a women wants to compete against the men generally. But yeah. Still dumb.

Oh and the guys would probably be all for it. They be bragging the whole time no matter what they're packing.

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 4 points 7 hours ago
[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

You can be pendantic if you like, but it adds nothing to the discussion. That was litterally last century.

[-] sausager@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Oh and the guys would probably be all for it. They be bragging the whole time no matter what they're packing.

Like guys who drive big trucks... Guys who like to fight are likely compensating for something. I don't think they want people looking 🤣

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

One common feature of top athletes is the belief that they are the best in every way. When it comes to boxing, they say most never do as well after the first time they get KOed because thier illusion of being the best is shattered.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 18 points 20 hours ago

Woman want to play sports? That's a probin'. For your protection

[-] FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Sky News is trash. Surely a better publication has covered this story.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 147 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Horseshit headline. There isn't a genetic test that "reveals biological sex" because biological sex is not strictly genetic. That's why they stopped doing genetic tests in the 1980s.

The headline should read "Competitors will participate in performative pseudoscience to appease bigots."

[-] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago

I'm honestly confused about what you're asserting here. For my daughter, they did a blood test on my wife in order to tell us that we're having a daughter instead of a son. Doesn't that mean that there IS in fact a genetic test that "reveals biological sex"?

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago

So there's a relatively miniscule fraction of people who have unexpected outcomes that you wouldn't expect based on their genetics, e.g due to some unexpected hormonal activity during fetal development.

For almost every birth, the biological concept of sex is a straightforward conclusion from genetics, so, by and large, a genetic test is accurate. But there have been cases that never got genetic tests and from all assessments were biologically female, but find out later they had XY. Maybe because they never hit puberty, or while trying to diagnose infertility, but something drove a deeper look.

[-] eyelevel@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

FYI, Intersex people (those born with nonbinary sex characteristics such as sexual anatomy, reproductive organs, hormonal patterns and/or chromosomal patterns) are approximately 1.7% of the general population.

By comparison, red hair occurs at similar rates, and accounts for between 1 - 2% of the general population.

When you consider how many people with red hair you may have met in your life, on average, you have also met a similar number of intersex people, whether you knew it at the time or not.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

The 1.7% figure is generally considered inaccurate, with most of that 1.7% being anomolous, but not out-right counter to the genotypic sex. LOCAH can cause infertility/reduced menstrual cycles as well as excessive body hair or balding in women, but wouldn't generally be considered phenotypically male. The second biggest one is a male having their urethra open in the wrong spot, which while anomolous, is certainly not going to make someone think they should be considered to be sexed female just because their penis has the hole in the wrong place.

The syndromes more like one would expect, like AIS, amounts to somewhere around 0.02% to 0.05%.

[-] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

But that's why we don't let people with red hair compete in sports either.

/s

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

That "relatively miniscule fraction" is over-represented in sports, as the hormonal edge cases of humanity can end up being stronger/faster/bigger than the typical humans.

[-] TheBeege@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Possibly true, but it would be good to have a source for that.

But even if true, what genetic factors should and shouldn't count? If someone is clearly female to all observers but happens to have XY genes, how is that different from an XX female who has an abnormally high amount of testosterone but still appears female for all intents and purposes?

I'm basically saying it's a complicated problem that laymen like us without specialized knowledge should consider very carefully and possibly defer to experts' opinions.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Well frankly, there's a whole can of worms to be had about how people should be categorized. A different league for distinct height ranges? Different leagues based on ACTN3? There's a whole bunch of uneven biological factors that competitors had no control over, should gender be the only one so broadly recognized?

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago

Looks like it's time to pull out the chart again...

Source.

The test is for the SRY gene, which may not be active on a Y gene, among other things. There are 2 or 3 points on that chart that are relevant to your question.

[-] TheBeege@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

I want to second the helpfulness of this. Thank you!

[-] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

Thanks! That picture is sure to come in handy at some point.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

How old is your daughter?

[-] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago

Will the men also be subjected to gender testing?

[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 day ago

No. We are only subjecting women to uncomfortable, humiliating shit so that we can isolate and torture minorities as much as possible.

[-] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

It might be fun to be the doctor giving the confirmation. Like, "congratulations person, you have met the minimum requirements to be recognized as a male competitor in the sport competition."

[-] hovercat 3 points 19 hours ago

Of course not, because no one AFAB could ever compete with a real man in anything ever, so there's no point because the silly little transmen will never be able to measure up. /s

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

The men would like it too much.

🤖 THIS IS THE GENITAL POLICE. PLEASE REMOVE YOUR UNDERWEAR AND SUBMIT FOR EXAMINATION. FAILURE TO COMPLY WILL RESULT IN DENIAL OF ACCESS TO ALL BATHROOMS ON THE PREMISES AND A REPORT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF GENDER CONFORMITY ENFORCEMENT. 🤖

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