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[-] abfarid@startrek.website 58 points 2 months ago

Yeah-yeah-yeah. What about the economy though?!

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago

I'm also seeing a troubling lack of consideration for shareholders too 🤔

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well everyone and everything dying will be terrible for the economy long term. But the more important question is: will line go up this quarter?

[-] rammer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

Of course it will. It doesn't have to have anything to do with the "real" world. And it hasn't for a while now. Because the line must go up.

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 37 points 2 months ago

I see your:

grim calculations for humanity if climate change and growth in population and consumption fueled by cheap energy goes unchecked.

And raise you a:

Number must go up‼️

[-] SebaDC@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 months ago
[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 6 points 2 months ago

You are going to be SO tired of all that "winning"...

[-] apftwb@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago
[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Wouldn't that be "most" at the 6Billion point?

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Earth fixing itself.

"The planet is fine. The people are fucked."

George Carlin

[-] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That would probably fix our emissions as well.

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Being working poor and knowing you'll be part of that statistic...

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago

Knowing your kids will be feels worse.

[-] troed@fedia.io 12 points 2 months ago

No.

... and if you believe differently, please cite the relevant sections from IPCC AR6 to support the statement.

Exaggerating climate science is also climate science denialism.

[-] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 17 points 2 months ago

So you just picked one single document and shout down any climate opinion not based on that document? Did you even try reading the post?

[-] troed@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago

If you don't know what the IPCC does I think you should study that first and then reply.

[-] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 17 points 2 months ago

Do you usually only read one source and decide that's enough information or is it just because climate science keeps having worse and worse news that you do this?

[-] troed@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago

If you don't know what the IPCC does I think you should study that first and then reply.

[-] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I now know enough to know that AR6 was concluded 2 years ago and since then there has been increasing evidence that our most dire models are actually rather optimistic. Even if we went carbon zero today temperature would still continue to uptick for years do to runaway affects that we were unaware of.

[-] troed@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

That's not how climate science works. The IPCC reports detail the current scientific consensus. Single papers do not change the consensus as soon as they are published.

IPCC AR6 on the contrary said things are better than we thought in AR5, and downgraded the likelyhood for the worst scenarios to play out.

Have you read any IPCC reports?

[-] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 7 points 2 months ago

Have you read the experts that point out the IPCC has continuously been overly conservative?

[-] RangerAndTheCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

You tried friend. Best to just leave this one be. Some people just want to live in their own world and refute reality even when presented overwhelmingly loads of evidence to the contrary.

You tried save your sanity trust me I’ve gone that road with others before it is not worth your time or energy till they are willing and able to hear you.

Hope you have a great day :)

[-] troed@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago

You really don't understand how the scientific method works.

That makes you a climate science denier.

[-] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago

Don't bother arguing with the doomers here. I think you're right, but you're indirectly attacking their nihilism and that makes them uncomfortable. Eventually they'll find something that makes them want a future or they'll get old and realize they have nothing.

[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

How many of those deaths are suicides?

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

If the system collapses most of them will be starvation, exposure, or murder.

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.vg 10 points 2 months ago

You forgot the rampant diseases.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah. Didn’t want to get in the weeds over such a depressing subject. First to go will be those dependent on medication and medical life support for survival, like insulin. Then next will be those without access to clean water, they’ll pick up pathogens and die soon when coupled with the lack of food. Then lack of food and exposure to cold and excessive heat will eat away the rest, along with infections and other diseases, and attacks by other humans. I don’t know that I ever understood peppers because the vast majority of them seem to assume some form of society would re-emerge, but if society ever collapses to the point where one actually needs to hole-up and wait out whatever calamity happened then there won’t be a civilization left. They’ll live long enough to die of an infection or other illness, or their supplies run out. Fuck knows that nobody will likely survive in a group containing the skills to build farmland and have enough animals like a 1600’s village to survive. Think of the support network they had even then that wouldn’t exist. From smiths to charcoal suppliers, sheep and wool, draft animals, etc. Peppers would survive to be the king atop a dead planet.

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.vg 1 points 2 months ago

If the climate isn't stabilized, farming isn't going to work out (and neither is pastoralism). The unpredictable seasons affect domesticated ecosystems as well as wild ones, that's already starting. Gathering is going to be very tricky too. Overall, these human populations, even if they survive, would have a larger chance of dying due to bad unexpected thing, which looks like extinction over a longer timeline as the isolated populations die out. And if anyone mentions hunting, laugh at them.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I plan to die violently pooping at something or someone

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

important question: will i be one of those six billion

[-] Gowron_Howard@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Who will do all of the work for the ruling class then? Not them certainly.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 months ago

I hope to be dead before the water wars start.

[-] rammer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago

They've already started. But they've been happening where it doesn't matter much to Western media.

Except Israel-Palestine. Where water has been used as a weapon. But has been brushed aside by other issues.

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