339
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago

This is grounded in the assertion that a website’s HTML/CSS is a protected computer program that an ad blocker intervenes in the in-memory execution structures (DOM, CSSOM, rendering tree), this constituting unlawful reproduction and modification.

This would also ban Dark Mode features and extensions.

[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Time to outright disable Javascript in my browsers and just deal with the broken sites and generally less useful web.

[-] KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

You may take a look at DNS filtering solutions like Pi-Hole or AdGuardHome [1]. It blocks ads / trackers without directly interacting with website content.

[1] https://www.privacyguides.org/en/dns/#self-hosted-dns-filtering

[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I'm aware, and I run a couple of Pi-hole VMs at home. The issue is DNS adblocking is only effective as long as the ads and the legit content don't come from the same domain.

[-] Ferk@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

This is grounded in the assertion that a website’s HTML/CSS is a protected computer program that an ad blocker intervenes in the in-memory execution structures (DOM, CSSOM, rendering tree), this constituting unlawful reproduction and modification.

This is ridiculous... the in-memory structures are highly browser dependent, the browser is the one controlling how the DOM is represented in memory.. it would imply that opening the website AT ALL in a different version of the exact specific one they target or with a different set of specific features/settings would also be a violation, since the memory structure would likely be different too.

At that point, they might as well just ask for their website to not be visited at all.

[-] chillhelm@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

By that same logic I could claim that SHOWING me an ad by circumventing my ad blocker is interfering with the in memory execution of my ad blocker. Wtf.

[-] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 6 hours ago

or mandate which program can be used to access the page.

like an app.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 18 points 10 hours ago

Black mirror 15 Million Merits

And this....

...in a nutshell is US patent US8246454B2. Sony owns the rights since 2009 but has not implemented it. When the permit expires in 2030, it will basically be open for other companies to use

[-] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

2030? That's AGES awa- oh

[-] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago

"The EU recognizes the right of users to choose what content they receive, including the ability to block unwanted advertising."

what happened to our privacy rights? Are they being dismantled in order for giant tech companies to take a foothold in controlling the masses? I mean that's what we get when we elect a self-proclaimed "transatlantist" chancellor. Fuck Merz and his blackrock cronies

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago
[-] KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

Third time's a charm for Germany, I guess :) (running and ducking for cover)

/s

[-] Hauntology95@lemmy.ml 77 points 22 hours ago

I wonder why all these totally unrelated things in the world are going to shit? Maybe theres a common thread

[-] AbeilleVegane@beehaw.org 35 points 21 hours ago
[-] Hauntology95@lemmy.ml 20 points 19 hours ago

People still look at me like I’m some sort of conspiracy theorist when I say that it’s all connected back to capitalism

[-] kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 12 hours ago

A friend of mine recently called me more brainwashed than anyone for questioning capitalism and said how can I question a system that gives me bread and butter.

When I tried to point out that the system does not give me food by the goodness of it's heart but rather extracts something out of me in return, he pointed out that Milton Friedman was a staunch supporter of capitalism and there is no way I can know more than him.

But the truth is, the world is crumbling. And I had rather believe what is unfolding before my own eyes than an economics textbook from 1970s (not to mention, that unlike say math economics isn't that objective a field. Just like he purported a free market supporting Economist, I too can forward names of folks who support the opposite POV).

The day folks stop seeing themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires would be awakening.

[-] pirat@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago

Is there any hope of asking when the most prosperous period of the USA was and what economic policies were used to create those conditions? Keynesian policies during the new deal - which are a tad different from MF's.

[-] Zanathos@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Easily the 90s when Clinton wiped the USA debt away to a clean slate, and Bush immediately made it worse with Iraq in his next term. I'm speaking loosley, but assume that's when this all started based on your question.

[-] SkyeStarfall 14 points 19 hours ago

Most people are just in denial. The left has been calling out capitalism as the problem for over a century

There was just a decent period in the middle there for the west that put a lot of people into complacency, but finally we're starting to approach the logical conclusions of capitalism again, and it's all coming crashing down

Unfortunately I strongly believe that things are going to get much worse before they get better. I think the vast majority will need to be shocked into action

[-] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago

I sadly think you are right. On a positive note, we do win on a long enough time line. It's inevitable.

[-] romanticremedy 14 points 21 hours ago

Yeah as if things happening in US isn't chaotic enough. I wonder if that send signal to the world that it's okay to be suppress all rights suddenly

[-] Zwrt@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 10 hours ago

The news is about to report on another US approved massacre in gaza, quick someone file a new form to spy on person communications, get that money transferred we said we didn’t have and for the love of god get some children in here we’re getting hungry.

[-] that_leaflet@lemmy.world 46 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I can't understand this logic.

Assume as stated that a website is a copyrighted and protected. Sure, that means I can't redistribute it to others without permission or a license. But I can't see how me locally, privately modifying the site would be against the law. Should Crayola be sued because their crayons can be used to modify a copyrighted art piece? Is it illegal for me to watch a movie with a blue-light filter on because it modifies how the content is displayed?

Edit: After further thought, a stronger argument would be that it's illegal (in some places) to bypass DRM protections. That's because if I break DRM of some media (say, of a rented DVD) so that I can keep it forever, that would technically be illegal even if I never shared it with anybody else. So if a site tries to break ad blockers but an ad blocker works around that, that would be "breaking" DRM, therefore illegal. But I still find that to be an lacking argument.

[-] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 11 points 16 hours ago

I have DRM on my network, I manage my digital rights with an ad blocker. If you try and circumvent my digital right can I sue?

[-] Evono@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 21 hours ago

Issue is our government and justical system is stuck in many areas between 1980-1995.

God knows what logic they had for that

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 19 hours ago

I think the logic here is that the code to deliver an ad is protected by copyright and your modification of that code is considered a derivative work that is protected under copyright law.

But that's not what happens at the browser level.

The HTML code is sent, whole cloth, to the browser. The browser inspects the code, you know, to do browser stuff.

During this inspection, the code is put against the ad block rules. Nothing is modified. If the code violates some sort of logic, it doesn't get rendered properly.

Hell, the opposite argument is probably more damning. Say you have this literal HTML:

<html>
<title>I use arch</title>
<p>
Btw
hello
World</html>

You could argue the browser is NOT showing your code the way you intended (e.g. "Btw hello World" being rendered though I'm not sure if spaces would be there or not).

At the end of the day, unless you send your webpage as an image, you can't guarantee how the browser will render it.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

People have confused HTML with PDF for a long time.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 76 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The case stems from online media company Axel Springer’s lawsuit against Eyeo - the maker of the popular Adblock Plus browser extension.

Axel Springer says that ad blockers threaten its revenue generation model and frames website execution inside web browsers as a copyright violation.

FYI, Axel Springer is a company and owns Business Insider (since 2015), Politico, and Politico Europe (since 2021). They suck.

Gudrun Kruip, a scholar associated with the Stiftung Bundespräsident-Theodor-Heuss-Haus, has claimed that Axel Springer SE, along with its subsidiaries, exhibits a pro-American stance, often omitting criticism of US foreign policy.[58] This observation is then backed by allegations made by two former CIA officers in an interview with The Nation, claiming that Axel Springer received $7 million from the CIA.[59] The purpose of this funding, they allege, was to influence the publisher to align its editorial content with American geopolitical interests.[59]

As of 2001, the Axel Springer SE names "solidarity with the libertarian values of the United States of America" as one of its core principles on its website.[60] This explicit stance has led to critiques from scholars and independent observers regarding the company's perceived alignment with American interests.[58][61][62][63][64] Furthermore, an article in Foreign Policy has critiqued Axel Springer SE for a history of compromising journalistic ethics to support right-wing causes, implying a longstanding pattern of bias in its publications.[65]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Springer_SE#Criticism

[-] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

Axel Springer company is even worse, their CEO said a year ago that all east-germans are either fascist or communist and that their opinions are to be dismissed, basically stating us as second-class-citizen. He owns the most fakenews spewing tabloids in Germany, BILD and WELT If you want to pinpoint one person where hate and fakenews come from in central europe, Mathias Döpfner, CEO of Axel Springer SE, is the culprit.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

Thank you for that information. Judging from Politco and Business Insider, they're pretty good at masking their hate and propaganda. Meaning, they're not as blatant as Fox News here in the states. Are they as shady about it for BLD and WELT?

[-] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Fun fact: they've also been founded with CIA money.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

I bet the CIA would love to force everyone visiting a website to run their code

Also this lawsuit has been ongoing for at least a decade iirc. Springer has been trying real hard.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] officermike@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago

If Germany bans ad blockers and a German citizen or company becomes victim to a malicious advertisement, do they have a case against the German government or by extension Axel Springer?

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago

What are you thinking?? Against the capital owners?

[-] network_switch@lemmy.ml 27 points 22 hours ago

Internet advertising, spreading malware since the 90s. Barely do anything to hold digital advertisement networks accountable for what they distribute, not even copyright/fraudulent website cloning for servicing malware, but always ready to crack down on people trying to browse the internet more securely and always ready to make more money for the rich

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago

Is it illegal for me to fast forward the previews at the beginning of my VHS too? WTF?

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 10 points 20 hours ago

LOL they WANTED it to be!!

[-] dizzy@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 hours ago

Yep and they made it that way on a lot of DVDs!

[-] tekato@lemmy.world 20 points 22 hours ago

If that lawsuit is successful then I’ll be next in line suing security camera companies for disrupting my breaking and entering business.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Europe went from leader of internet freedom to STASI police in a few months.

Guess there's a top down policy to implement Fascism across Europe soon, judging by the speed at which Europe is passing dracnonic internet control.

[-] uberstar@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

Among other things, Germany's been quite strict about piracy, so they've been holding the L for a while now, and continue to do so..

load more comments (8 replies)
[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago

yes, beacon of democracy for europe right there.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 21 hours ago

Mozilla guy saying there's a risk, but i dont really see it, myself.

Firstly, does copyright really prevent modification for personal use? I dont think it does.

Secondly, you're not so much modifying the content as not consuming part of it. I think thats an important distinction for the court to grapple with.

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 14 points 20 hours ago

Logic and reason never stopped monied forces from twisting the letter and spirit of the law to suit their own desires.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 22 hours ago

What better way to let the people know whose interests the regime really represents.

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 18 Aug 2025
339 points (100.0% liked)

Firefox

20681 readers
438 users here now

/c/firefox

A place to discuss the news and latest developments on the open-source browser Firefox.


Rules

1. Adhere to the instance rules

2. Be kind to one another

3. Communicate in a civil manner


Reporting

If you would like to bring an issue to the moderators attention, please use the "Create Report" feature on the offending comment or post and it will be reviewed as time allows.


founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS