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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 points 4 hours ago

There is a weird bias against bisexual men in media. Someone I knew even once said she didn't believe bisexual men existed, all men are either straight or gay. For me self identification is important. If someone tells me they're straight but I believe they're bisexual, I'm going to call them straight.

[-] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 17 points 7 hours ago

I am a straight white man and I can’t even weigh in on this issue because if I defend the bi ppl ill get a stigma attached to me

[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

i do wild shit to make the girls im dating lose attraction for me all the time. burping really loud constantly, saying the word "COCKS" when i sneeze, crying about wall-e, shitting with the door open. who cares?

[-] Jaybird@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago
[-] lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 hours ago

Watch him as he goes.

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 42 points 13 hours ago

I've seen so many cases of staunch progressive groups weaponize a guys sexuality as soon as they have a falling out with him. Its like these people never believed what they were saying. People are so spineless and have no morals.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

With leftists and progressives the louder they are about their beliefs and virtues the less they actually follow those through. Just like with religious people, it’s just virtue signaling.

[-] ssfckdt 22 points 8 hours ago

In my older age I've come to the realization that a lot of people join movements just to belong, not because they actually hold the conviction. I think in fact there are people who aren't capable of even having a conviction, just bouncing between whatever expressive habits are most convenient socially

You see it with things like politics and religion too

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Its hard to be morally consistent. But not impossible.

[-] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

Sadly, this is a human trait overall. It's deep in the lizard brain section from early in our evolution.

If someone is part of a group and then does something seen as against the interest of the group (or groupthink, really) then any tiny little thing can become a trait leveraged against them. Either the person on the outs basically accepts demotion on the social ladder and hopes for re-acceptance from the group as subservient to everyone, or they're just out for good. It's one of our worst traits from a rational perspective, it's violent and irrational monkey-brain shit, and likely made for small homogeneous, tight-knit groups that could count on each other to survive harsh environmental conditions.

[-] dermanus@lemmy.ca 29 points 12 hours ago

My favourite is the ones who scream about slut shaming then use "virgin" as an insult.

Although that seems to have fallen out of fashion lately.

That specific insult I mean, not hypocrisy.

[-] buttnugget@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago

People always say stuff to me like, “You definitely live with your parents”. That one is super common. Like, who cares? It’s weird for me personally because I moved out over 20 years ago, but nothing wrong if I did live with my folks. It’s a world as hard as stone out there.

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 37 points 15 hours ago

People like this are the progressive version of evangelicals. And like with Christianity they don't get called out enough to keep it from becoming a major problem.

Villainizing male sexuality is why we have a whole new generation boys heading into alt right circles and so far the response has been a variant of telling them to 'man up.' And its going to get a lot worse before it gets even a little better.

[-] ssfckdt 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

OMG i've been saying this for years and every time I get bashed for it (in liberal/left/prog circles)

Because you can't suggest that the (liberal/left/blue/prog/nonfash) aren't perfect or are doing something not ideal

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago

they don’t get called out enough to keep it from becoming a major problem.

idk man 9 times out of 10 I hear someone talking about progressives, they're exclusively referring to the most hypocritical ones. Like, when does anyone talk about the normal progressives that just want good things for everyone? That's boring.

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

I don't count conservatives

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

okay, but then, who else is talking about progressives?

[-] krunklom@lemmy.zip 23 points 14 hours ago

This is the root of the problem with much of the discussion around male identity online.

Women finally, and rightfully, gained a voice, and plenty of dudes listened. Many of them, not really understanding feminism as an academic discipline or having any real sympathy towards any aspect of being a man, used that voice to point of the many issues faced by women in the world and to fight for women.

Where this falls apart is that because of the lack of real understanding regarding feminism and the concept of patriarchy, a lot of it boiled down to "shut up, the women are talking" and "we don't care about your problems"

None of this makes the problems away, none of this is really geared towards equality, and much of it is just switching the genders on deeply toxic patriarchal power structures that were used to oppress women for centuries.

When you think about how stupid 90% of the people involved on both sides of this discourse online are, it's of little surprise so many women went looking for easy answers from hucksters who pitched exploitation and oppression as empowerment.

[-] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 9 points 14 hours ago

I really liked bell hooks's approach to this. She focuses on incorporating male problems into feminism as a focal point, not excluding them.

[-] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Interesting. What's a good place to start reading what bell hooks said about this?

[-] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 7 hours ago

The Will to Change by bell hooks is the one book that made me feel seen as a person. Usually I open a feminist book with the suspicion that the author will be like "all men are evil" and that usually makes me care less about feminism for a while. But that book was a pleasant surprise, it spoke to me and not at me.

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[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 40 points 16 hours ago

I wouldn't consider a woman that drops a guy for this reason to be a progressive.

[-] nectar45@lemmy.zip 27 points 15 hours ago

You would be suprised by how much of the left hates bisexuals, without realizing that makes them as bad as any other bigot

[-] Nangijala@feddit.dk 6 points 5 hours ago

Some of the weirdest shit I have seen in the LGBT sphere is how comfortable some of them are with dictating who is allowed to date who and whether or not their preferences are okay.

It's the main reason I don't really vive with the LGBT community. Don't mind gays and trans and whatever else is out there. Normal people living their normal lives and loving the people they love and finding ways to be comfortable in their own bodies is how things should be.

But the LGBT sometimes reminds me of organized religion. It's not the individual believer who lives his or her life in peace who is the problem, but the weird cultlike behavior going on in the group where everybody has to hold the same opinions that tend to become progressively more extreme over time until the church controls every aspect of your life. Including whom your are allowed to love.

But it is difficult to bring this up without immediately being labeled a phob because the LGBT owns non-straight sexuality and if you criticism the movement, you criticize all the non straight people.

BLM has similar vibes.

I just don't like groups. Churches, political groups, grassroots movements, you name it. It all ends up the same in the end. With group pressure, control, shaming and ostracizing when you don't toe the line.

If I learned anything in my 20s, its that being a part of any ideological groups is not in your best interest. No matter how good and safe it feels in the beginning.

[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 18 points 14 hours ago

I've had these conversations with people before. I was telling a fellow man how I don't care if my partner is bi. He said something like "woah man, there can be some major trust issues there" implying that her "homosexual needs" will lead her to cheat on me with my sister or something. I didn't follow his logic.

[-] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 14 points 13 hours ago

I'm a straight male. My wife is bi. The most important part of her orientation, to me, is that it means everyone else was my competition for her love instead of just other men, but I still won.

[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

That's always how I looked at it.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 13 points 13 hours ago

As if straight/gay people don't cheat all the time because they're apparently not getting their "needs" met. The person being shitty is the issue, not their sexuality.

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[-] buttnugget@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

I wouldn’t say “the left” but biphobia is absolutely insane among non traitor lunatics.

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

biphobia is prevalent even among gays and lesbians. It sucks.

[-] buttnugget@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Absolutely. My wife was bisexual and many lesbians wanted nothing to do with her.

[-] switcheroo@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

If he's a hot twink, then yeah no that'd be fine with me. Perfectly understandable.

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Everymans straight until they meet a cute twink

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 51 points 19 hours ago

The funniest part about this to me is that the AIDs epidemic actually forced medical researchers to accept that sometimes guys have sex with other guys, and they even created the term "Men who have Sex with Men" or MSM to cover this fact, since they aren't necessarily gay or bi.

Like, society needs to get over this. Sometimes people have sex with other people. Sometimes they happen to be different genders, sometimes they're the same. It only means whatever it means to the people fucking and little else

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[-] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 13 points 15 hours ago

Um, no. I am an old Xer lady and we know men can be bi too. And like the ladies... sexuality is on a continuum. Some people just love to canoodle with young beautiful bodies no matter what flavor... and as we get older, old beautiful kind considerate people.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 32 points 19 hours ago

There's a streamer who I use to follow. Use to because she slowly went alt right. Anyway, one of her hangups with partners was refusing to date any man she suspected of being bi because she didn't want a penis that was up an ass in her. She also believes that most men are bisexual. She probably only dates men who are vocally homophobic.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago

She also believes that most men are bisexual.

It's funny, because I see so much bi-erasure among gay friends. The idea that every dude is a 6 on the Kinsey Scale and just suffering through straight sex because they don't know any better is stubbornly resilient.

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[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 points 17 hours ago

Do the men she fucks not wash their junk?

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