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[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 326 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

O’Kelley’s [sic] says billionaires represent “such an incredibly ludicrous waste of money in a world where there’s so many people who don’t have that,” but he says actually being one is also “othering”—separating you from the limits and consequences that define normal life. “There’s something about keeping connected to normalcy that is really, really important,” the entrepreneur explains. “I don’t want a yacht and I don’t ever want to be able to be without consequences. I think that’s the biggest risk, is, how can we be accountable when we have so much money we can buy anything?”

He gets it. Past a certain point, wealth erodes your humanity. I think I'd have picked $100M too - at a safe 4% return that's $4M per year, plenty for anybody to live on but not megayacht money.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 75 points 3 weeks ago

Motherfucking $4MM total is enough to live on with a return like that.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 154 points 3 weeks ago

Sure, but choosing to live on $160k/yr would be a bit much when you're starting with $1.6B. I can't fault him for still wanting to enjoy being wealthy instead of upper-middle-class and definitely don't think it's reasonable to complain that giving away 95% of his wealth is somehow not enough.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

My point is that $160k is enough for anybody. That much per person would give any household a very comfortable lifestyle even in a HCOL area.

[-] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 57 points 3 weeks ago

You'd think that, but hcol is hcol. Then add kids. Now those kids can drive, go to college and need a lot of shoes (seriously, I feel like I should get a part time job at a shoe store). Gotta put some up for retirement too.

It goes faster than you'd think, and that's with buying used cars, no luxury vacations, little travel, bargain shopping and doing a lot of my own home/car repairs.

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[-] AlecSadler 27 points 3 weeks ago

I have to disagree with this unfortunately. Myself and many of my friends all make $160k or more each, but when it comes to life's debts and surprises, family, medical bills, etc. - $160k is not enough. And that's with me renting a room from family and not even really saving for retirement yet.

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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

EDIT: corrected post with biweekly to monthly pay

My point is that $160k is enough for anybody. That much per person would give any household a very comfortable lifestyle even in a HCOL area.

$160k/year is way low to live a "very comfortable lifestyle", even more so especially in a HCOL area.

Lets use NYC as an example of a HCOL area. Here's what that looks like for take-home pay:

source

Lets call it $8,800/month to make it easy.

So a person needs to house themselves. Lets look at NYC rents. Here's median prices:

And here's some specifics from a few places in the city:

source

So looking at the cheapest of the 3 listed here, the small 1 br 1 bath place in the East Village will set you back about $3200/month. Of our $8,800, we now have just $5,600/month for every other living necessities including food, transportation, clothing, and the big budget killer we haven't talked about yet...health insurance/healthcare.

All of this also assumes a person would be single. If they have children a 1br apartment isn't going to cut it, and the costs for raising children are also a large increase in monthly money burn. People still have to save for retirement too.

$160k/year is way low for: "That much per person would give any household a very comfortable lifestyle even in a HCOL area."

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 weeks ago

Sadly, not necessarily true. In the US, all it takes is one family member with a severe chronic illness tovery quickly erode that to the point that you are back at work. I think $10MM is the magic number but $100MM is a really good number to ensure that you and.your loved ones are taken care of.

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[-] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago

It doesn't make any sense to keep just enough, because then you may have to worry about weathering any economic storms in the future.

I think the amount he kept is reasonable, especially when they are pretty much one of a kind for doing this.

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[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

Plenty for a normal yacht, the kind you can sail by yourself or with a partner. Megayachts are basically private cruise ships that need a full staff to sail. Even if I had the money I wouldn’t want that!

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[-] rozodru@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

I've always said If I could have enough where I could purchase in cash a cottage in a small cottage town here in Canada with a top of the line internet connection and I'd never have to work or worry about money for the rest of my life I'd be happy. what would I do? nothing. I'd pursue my hobby projects, more FOSS development, gaming, painting, build model kits, drink beer, eat whatever I wanted, and socialize with as few people as possible.

That's all i want. I just want enough money right now to achieve that.

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[-] ideonek@piefed.social 105 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I reserve my praises until I learn how exactly he gave away the money. Family-controlled foundations that only do political lobbing while avoiding taxes are a thing .

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 67 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I wasn't able to find details with a quick search, but it sounds like it wasn't his own foundation:

After the AppNexus sale, O’Kelley and his wife carefully chose which causes to support. Their donations focus on education, social justice, technology access, and healthcare initiatives.

https://www.ceotodaymagazine.com/2025/08/could-you-give-away-1-5-billion-like-this-ceo/

Perhaps the only good billionaire is one who isn't.

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[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 3 weeks ago

well political lobbying would be good if it's lobbying for socialism i'd say

[-] ideonek@piefed.social 24 points 3 weeks ago

I would argue that legalized corruption is bad, even if you happen to agree with the cause.

[-] shplane@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

Well, the current method of taking the high ground to make change for good ain’t exactly working out too well.

[-] lapping6596@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Lobby for removing that legalized corruption?

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[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 63 points 3 weeks ago

Should have shared the money with the workers who built the company into a $1.6B valuation and worth acquisition.

[-] moakley@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

If anything he should have invested it into effecting political change. But that other person is right; it's never good enough for you.

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[-] Nightlight17776@lemmy.ca 60 points 3 weeks ago

Wait is this really a good rich person? I have to think something's up

[-] derry@midwest.social 49 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Gen Xer, we're mostly cool. Still some ass hats but most of us try to be cool, do the right things

[-] SirSamuel@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, sorry, forgot you were here

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 weeks ago

most of us try to be cool

i'm also gen X. your experience doesn't match mine

[-] derry@midwest.social 14 points 3 weeks ago

Sorry man. I hope you're ok.

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 weeks ago

not really, but thanks. for some reason gen x went "i love fascism."

https://williamfleitch.medium.com/why-did-generation-x-go-so-hard-for-trump-ab5ce5ac8659

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/heres-the-generation-that-went-strongest-for-trump-and-the-surprising-one-that-shifted-left/ar-AA1tTVEc

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/10/gen-x-politics-explained-republicans.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-gen-x-went-maga/

personally: a lot of the dudes i grew up with are absolutely full-blown "my purpose in life is to be better than everyone else, and trump is going to give me that" mentality

again, i'm glad that your experience is better, but please don't assume that it's across the board

the maga fascist cult is a fucking cancer that afflicts every age group. make people afraid, give them an "enemy" to hate, profit

fucking nazis

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[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 weeks ago

If only he believed in himself, he could have been a billionaire…

[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 36 points 3 weeks ago

Good for him.

Raise the taxes, remove the cap on FICA contributions, implement universal healthcare.

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[-] Mike_Hunt@lemmy.ml 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

if i ruled the world no single person would have more than 1bn, hence why it would never happen. (id be very unqualified)

[-] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 weeks ago

Most of the assclowns running shit now are horribly unfit. At least you have some perspective.

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[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 29 points 3 weeks ago

I'd take just one single measly Canadian million dollars, buy a ~300-400K small house far from the city with enough land to have peace and quiet, and maybe try a greenhouse for vegetables.

That leaves enough money with what I already have to cover never working again, various moving expenses, some repairs and renos, and maybe the occasional weekend transexual escort in my whirlpool.

[-] Horsey@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

600K definitely can’t cover your incidentals over 20+ years.

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[-] solrize@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 weeks ago

Russian Nobleman paradox. 100 million is still a lot though. Company was AppNexus, name rings a bell. Sold to AT&T.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 36 points 3 weeks ago

Even still, $100m is more than enough to live a very comfortable life and secure your family's future. No one needs $1b.

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[-] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 16 points 3 weeks ago

100 million is still a lot though.

To be fair, the article does mention that he's considering using that as a way to fund his current startup if it ever needs a cash injection, rather than turning straight to more VCs, which is probably good in the long run in terms of reducing how much the company could have to cater toward predatory investors over customers, so I'd consider at least part of his remaining wealth just a means to fund a separate venture from his private life, but still, he probably does have more than enough even after that.

Also, I'd never heard of the Russian Nobleman paradox before, but I looked it up and it seems interesting. Thanks for sharing it.

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not criticizing him for keeping enough to keep him and his family comfortable for a few generations. Giving away a comma is a big request that he did without needing to be asked.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

Oh. I thought this was The Onion for a second when I saw the title.

[-] Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

How many more people/companies do we need to see doing this before we see change?

I am praising the action not the individual :)

[-] jacecomix@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 weeks ago

Just a general reminder to anyone to use a site like Charity Navigator to find good causes to donate to.

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[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 3 weeks ago

The question is: does it bring lasting benefits to the people?

If he gives away a billion once, eventually it will be consumed and then we're stuck in the same situation again. The rich must give money away repeatedly, that's the only way to sustain society going forward. For that, solid and robust policy changes will have to be implemented.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

He's not wrong. Being circled by scavengars like some kind of dying leviathan is not a sane way to live.

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