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Doesn't matter I found bots and cheaters. Kernel level anticheat is nothing more than a security theater
Yep. There’s money to be made coding cheats. They’ll never be stopped.There’s absolutely no shortage of people willing to cheat and shit on other players. “giT gUd KiD, LeRn HoW tOo Aim!1!1!” I’ve got over 3k hours in BF2042 and easily the top 3-5 players give or take on either team are using some form of cheat, whether it be a Cronus or an actual software cheat, they’re obvious as hell. Like most fps games, they only keep the cheats to just enough of a minimum that they can delete cheat discussions from the forums and the community to lick the boot, “stfu hackusations!” One look at the leaderboards and showing hit%/time and the top 10-15% of players should all be banned.
But it at least stops cheating, right?
Right?
Just like DRM, the people hurt are the paying customers not the pirates.
Hopefully this moves people to view kernel level anti-cheat as malicious and as nefarious as other malware.
What helps solve all of this is not playing online hype games. Single player ftw.
How about games that dont run a anticheat deep into the kernel or Server side anticheat.
Like SCP:SL(server side) and TF2 (i think both Client and Server side) does this
You're against server based Anti-Cheat too?
Nah
How else would I get my hourly dose of homophobic insults on voice from teenagers with barely broken voices?!
Not to mention being frequently informed that my 70 year old mom is a prostitute.
If I try and simulate the multiplayer experience on a single player game by insulting myself, it's just not the same.
In 400+ hours of Helldivers 2 I have only had a handful of groups with people talking shit in voice or type chat. The co-op nature of the game probably helps with that.
I will always prefer multiplayer games for the simple reason that single-player AI is stupid and predictable. Why does every enemy behave like every single other enemy in literally every game? Is it really that much more difficult to program enemies to behave in various, unpredictable ways? Until that day comes, I will always prefer my enemies to be human.
My hatred for other humans, especially in their online multiplayer behavior, faaaaar outweighs what you brought up.
I agree, and that's why we mute voice chat.
Some games do have different behaviors for different enemies, I can't really point to any one modern game off the top of my head. However, I do remember the first Half-Life touting that as a major feature and it being cool to experience back when that game first came out. I remember some enemies would throw your grenades back at you or fall back and regroup, some would just run straight at you, and others would attempt to sneak around and flank you.
I do remember that but then for some reason Valve didn't make the AI as smart in Half-Life 2 as the first game. If you fought one combine soldier, you fought them all.
Who could have predicted that hanging ten conflicting kernel-level anti-cheat installations might cause compatibility problems?
The installations aren't the problem. Trying to run them at the same time is the problem, but why would anyone be loading more than one game at a time?
Not sure if you're being serious, but at least Riot Games' anti-cheat Vanguard always wants to be running in the background, whether the game is running or not. Sure, you can stop it, but if you then want to play something that requires it, you have to reboot. There's no manual way to start it.
One of the reasons I decided to drop Valorant.
Same here, I dropped League of Legends when they added it as a requirement. I can sorta deal with a kernel level anti-cheat if it only runs while the game is running, but an always on kernel level anti-cheat is a no go for me.
Hm - arguably, that actually puts Riot more at fault here.
It’s a scummy environment either way, but at least if Battlefield is shutting down anticheat when you close the game, that’s a small step above.
Oh I think they're both at fault. Fuck EA/Battlefield for the SecureBoot requirement too.
In fact, fuck all games with kernel level anti-cheats.
Valorant’s anticheat always runs in the background, even when the game isn’t booted. There’s a reason people call the game spyware.
but why would anyone be loading more than one game at a time?
Maybe you're virtualizing it for multiple users. Sure, that might sound like a weird thing to do, but that's mostly because shit like this makes it harder than it ought to be.
i routinely have 3 games running in the background, sometimes 4. Different strokes and all that.
The anticheat runs all the time unless you specifically exit it and requires a reboot of the computer for the exit to take, the reverse is true to turn it back on as well.
It should also be noted cheats can and have bypassed both BF6 and Valorants anti-cheat anyway.
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This is false and Eurogamer covered it already. You cannot run both at the same time, but both can be installed. The Valorant anti-cheat just cannot be active (it can be turned off at any time if it is running and requires a reboot before the game can be played if disabled).
https://www.eurogamer.net/you-cant-play-battlefield-6-and-valorant-at-the-same-time-heres-why
If there's a game that ever needed stringent anticheat, it's Battlefield.
If you consciously install a rootkit to play a game, you deserve whatever comes after.
Most people have zero understanding of what it is, what the implications are, or even that they're installing it when they press play.
How long before these kernel level rootkits start identifying each other as cheats, making being a fan of more than one game a bannable offense?
This is wrong. You can't run both at the same time but there's nothing stopping you from having valorant installed
I believe you have to first close Vanguard and then you can get BF6 to launch. If you want to play Valorant again you have to fully restart your computer as there is no way to successfully relaunch Vanguard after closing it.
I don't know for sure, but I would assume this would effect people with League of Legends installed as well since it also uses Vanguard for anti-cheat.
I'm confused. I thought the last mainline BF title was Battlefield 4? (And then after that came BF1, and then that failure BF2042.)
Did they skip a number, or was Battlefield 5 just so fucking bad that I blanked it from my memory? I honestly can't tell. I haven't enjoyed a Battlefield game since Bad Company 2.
5 came out between 1 and 2042, yes it was pretty bad, from what i recall.
This beta has been a whole clownfest.
That's weird- I played BF6 with friends I would expect would have Valorant installed. Nobody had any issues. Maybe they uninstalled at some point. I don't exactly keep up with everyone's library.
My guess is that there's something else going on because two of my friends play Valorant and had no problem playing it. They even played Valorant the day after the beta for Battlefield 6 ended.
In another article, I read that it happens when you have the Valorant launcher running – because it clashes with the kernel-level anticheat. Having it installed and closed shouldn't cause any issues.
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