It's amazing the system has held together for as long as it has.
Get rid of districts and fill Congress through proportional representation. That solves so many problems.
We should make it proportionate to economic output. Not number of people. Seems like the capitalist way.
But it creates others. In the US we vote for people, in proportional representing, you vote for parties.
You can argue that's better, but it's very different from what we have now.
It is different, and I would indeed argue it's better. And let's face it, you are mostly voting for parties anyway. How many independents are there really?
But if you want to have district representatives, you could do a hybrid system where half the seats are assigned by district, and the other half are assigned from a national list to fill out the proportionality.
Republicans would be getting most of their seats from districts, Greens and Libertarians would get them entirely from the national list, but at least they'd get representation.
Just just copy the German 2 vote system.
If we do that, they will be all Republicans
I'm not sure you understood any of the words you are replying to.
Reality has a left leaning bias, this is why the US has a gerymandering issue in the first place. If the right could get into power without rigging things, they would, but they can't, so gerrymander it up.
Edit: I think I replied to the wrong comment, but I can't for the life of me figure out which one it was meant to be a reply to. Perhaps the one that the one I'm replying to is replying to.
There's a quote about that. "If conservatives can't win in a democratic system, they won't abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy."
Republicans rarely have a majority of the congressional votes. They get their majority in Congress from uneven representation and gerrymandering. In proportional representation, they'd lose their majority.
A quick reminder that gerrymandering, the unethical process where politicians choose their voters (instead of the other way around), is not legal in any other western democracy. It's runaway corruption, shouldn't exist, and needs to be publishable by jail time...
Just enough farmer jokels in there to neutralize democratic city dwellers.
Question, does that make it overall blue or red for everyone else? I imagine Austin has more people than that rural area but idk
It’s only a small portion of Austin. If you take a sliver of a city where 20k people live and add it to a large rural district with 30k people across thousands of square miles you then spread the population of the dense city across the rural districts without overwhelming the ratio.
Utterly ridiculous stuff, how can the US call itself a democracy.
This is nothing new or unique. As much as it sucks when it’s blatantly obvious like this, there isn’t a true and objective way to draw perfect districts. If you cut the state into perfect squares then you group completely unrelated communities on either side of a large river that have nothing in common and one overwhelms the other. Sometimes one niche population is one county over from another one that’s twice the size. A lot of times a certain state does have a serious political bias. Independent districting committees with members from both sides still come up with wildly gerrymandered maps. A lot of times they aim for “highly competitive” elections where both sides have a real chance at winning any given election, but if the state is genuinely deep blue or red, that’s gerrymandered as well even if it “feels” democratic. 538 had an awesome map where you could visualize unfair advantages for each, highly competitive districts, compact districts (no absurd shapes like this one) and compact but follows existing county lines, but when ABC bought them they gutted everything good about 538 and just used the name for their existing garbage election reporting hoping to lure in a few more viewers so it’s now wiped off the face of the internet.
Australia has a rule that redistribution must bring the ratio of seats closer to the total ratio of votes when modelled on the previous election.
It's a strong objective way to prevent the worst abuses of subjective redistribution.
There are also equal(ish) population rules but I think the US probably has that too?
This repub regime is really showing us how much our system of government depends on having good-faith actors in (elected) positions of power. There truly are not sufficient checks in place to protect against one election's worth of bad actors.
Kind of amazing that this all worked for about 250 years, and heartbreaking that it could crumble in the next 2.5.
For about 200 years, a candidates morality was an important factor, now we apparently don't care, especially the MAGAs.
worked for about 250 years for a select group of people only
didn't work for the native americans, slaves, poor people, etcetera
Apologies if I misunderstood the american election system, but the fact that for the past 100+ years you've had a bipartisan system in which both parties pander to the wealthy tell me it hasn't really worked. Or rather only worked for the ruling elite.
The system has basically always been two-party. It's the only stable arrangement for FPtP voting anyway. So, yes, it has been status quo for 250 years.
Even strong checks can't hold back bad faith actors indefinitely
Sure does help, though.
Any system that ultimately doesn't work for the greater good is bound to fail, because someone will come along promising to deliver the people from their woes.
It's happened very many times throughout history, and yet many "checks" are perpetuated on convention alone, in many systems around the world.
You're just asking for it, at that point.
Letting politicians draw their own electoral boundaries, and "certify" their own elections is beyond ridiculous.
Git gud, USA, yikes.
Brought to you by the independent electoral commission gang.
I will never understand how this obvious manipulation has been legal for decades.
We've lived in a fascist country for a long time.
The pretense is gone now though, which is fascinating. And scary.
It’s literally just partisan warfare with legal exploitation, and voter bases apparently think it’s justified. I mean, what are they gonna do, side with the other party over it?
Money. Every American politician is corrupt as fuck.
when lawmakers break the law and nobody enforces the law, it stops being the law.
They always forget that the laws they pass to punish their enemies or enrich themselves goes both ways.
If they start acting like the law is anything they can get away with without going to jail, then the same can apply to the rest of us.
Laws still apply, just not to the people in power.
Federal government won't do anything about it. States control their own elections and therein lies the conundrum. Texas is proving very willingly that it doesn't care about the rules as long as they win.
These assholes are going to make violent revolution inevitable. Why they think they will survive that revolution is a mystery.
Because they think they have the vast majority of those institutions with the ability to inflict violence on their side.
And from where I'm sitting, it looks like they're right
The worst part is that democrats will fight back by gerrymandering harder, and it just won't be as effective because gerrymandering always benefits the person behind. If democrats had an ounce of intelligence, they would be fighting for standard algorithms to manage redistricting. If it was federal law to minimize district perimeters, this whole nonsense would end.
If democrats had an ounce of intelligence, they would be fighting for standard algorithms to manage redistricting.
The problem with that is they would need to regain power to be able to fix anything. But that would also assume they did, in fact, have the intelligence to fix problems while in power. Unfortunately, the reason the fascists are fighting so hard to dismantle democracy is to ensure that they can never lose power again despite their growing unpopularity.
It’s a bit more complex than that—if you create districts on a purely geographic basis (like minimizing district perimeters), you usually amplify slight majorities into disproportionately large ones (e.g., a 55% demographic majority translating to a 90% legislative majority). An algorithm that tries to create districts that proportionally translate demographics to representation usually ends up with district boundaries that superficially resemble gerrymandered ones.
If you can't win, cheat. It's the official slogan of conservatives worldwide.
"Why should I have to pay taxes for roads and schools in Austin when I live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere by choice?"
-Desired Outcome
Republicans are cheating scum.
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