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[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

I don't know but the outright lies on Facebook are making me mad. People actually believe JK Rowling is suing HBO over the casting of Snape when in reality, she is helping produce the show and is fine with the casting

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This problem is hardly an issue on this platform.

And this is the problem.

I see objectively misleading, clickbait headlines and articles from bad (eg not recommended by Wikipedia) sources float to the top of Lemmy all the time.

I call them out, but it seems mods are uninterested in enforcing more strict information hygiene.

Step 1 is teaching journalism and social media hygiene as a dedicated class in school, or on social media… And, well, the US is kinda past that being possible :/.

There might be hope for the rest of the world.

[-] Truscape 8 points 5 days ago

In US English classes at any level above middle school, the importance of finding valid sources and providing citations is emphasized, although that's mainly for essays and the like.

I could imagine it would be possible to adapt that mindset towards social media as well. Provide your sources, so you can prove you understand what you are saying. The foundations are there, they just need to be applied.

[-] DiskCrasher@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Except there are plenty of "sources" that spew even more BS. We can't even trust what comes out of our government anymore (by design).

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

You’re right, I remember this. It just needs to be updated.

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[-] j_z@feddit.nu 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Hey, just wanted to say I’m always grateful when someone calls out posts not linking to proper sources. Your doing good work, thanks!

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Note that Wikipedia is not a proper source.

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

yeah, lemmy could stop pushing extreme leftist misinformation from mysterious online "news" sources and rewriting history that would be a great start

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Yeah, western right wing neoliberal misinformation only.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

That’s not what I meant. It’s true that too many left leaning tabloids get upvoted to the front page, but the direction of the slant isn’t the point, and there’s nothing “mysterious” about them. They’re clickbait/ragebait.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

bad (eg not recommended by Wikipedia)

If you want to know why misinformation is so prominent, the fact that you think this is a good standard is a big part of it.

Step 1 is teaching journalism and social media hygiene as a dedicated class in school

And will those classes be teaching "Wikipedia is the indisputable rock of factuality, the holy Scripture from which truth flows"?

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[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Most of the misinformation I regularly find on top are statements made by the US president or his administration – and these are news reports in an appropriate context with appropriate commentary by Lemmy users. Occasionally, very rarely, I have also seen misinformation about the US president, but I don't see that as much of a problem.

Rather, I see it as a very serious problem that the US president himself and his administration are massively spreading misinformation. That is what my question refers to.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

With no offense/singling out intended, this is what I’m talking about.

You (and many others) are interested in misinformation from MAGA, but not from misreported news on MAGA. But it's these little nuggets that his media ecosystem pounces on and has gotten Trump to where is.

And it’s exactly the same on the “other side.” The MAGA audience is combing the greater news ecosystem for misinformation like a hawk while turning a blind eye to their own.

The answer is for everyone to have better information hygiene, and that includes shooting misleading down story headlines one might otherwise like. It means being critical of your own information stream as you read.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

So you think it's okay for the US president to spread misinformation? You really don't see a problem with that, even though you yourself talk about "information hygiene"?

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Of course not.

But Trump's going to do it and no one is going to stop him. And if we aren’t willing to look at, say, Lemmy and misleading upvoted posts, how can we possibly tell MAGA acolytes to do the same thing on a more extreme scale?

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Well, my question was about how to counter the constant misinformation spread by influential people like Trump (there are people like him in pretty much every country) – that's why I mentioned other platforms, because Lemmy is completely irrelevant in this context due to its very limited reach.

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[-] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

[misinformation] is hardly an issue on this platform […]

In my opinion, that statement of yours is, ironically, responsible for why there may be an issue with misinformation. You state it with certainty, yet you provide no source to back up your claim. It is my belief that this sort of conjecture is at the source of misinformation issues.

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Lol misinformation is still an issue on Lemmy, don't kid yourself

[-] haloduder@thelemmy.club 2 points 3 days ago

Teach people how to cite appropriately.

We learned how to do it in middle school, but I can tell most of my adult peers either didn't pay attention or forgot.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 14 points 5 days ago

I've tried a lot and the problem is that the people are entrenched in their beliefs. They are in irrational states of mind on social media, and you can't rationally talk to people in that state of mind.

The most successful I've had is simply the Socratic method. Remain calm, simply ask open ended questions which are designed to just make them question their tightly held beliefs. Why are cities less safe, why do you feel this, etc. however even I find they will often just get angry at that even.

Ultimately, it's not social media which will win minds. It's in the open. I've had more luck meeting people casually in bars and talking to them vs on a keyboard

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Unfortunately, I believe that social media does influence people's decisions very much. If that weren't the case, criminals like Trump could never be elected president, and 20-25% of the people in my home country wouldn't vote for open Nazis.

Nevertheless, thank you for your valuable contribution: In addition to technical possibilities, I am also interested in how to deal with people who do not accept rational arguments - the Socratic method is probably the best way to make a point with them.

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[-] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 4 points 4 days ago

Misinformation is part of the nature of social media and can't be fixed. Stupid people are stupid. There are A LOT of them on social media. The dishonest take advantage of the stupid to spread misinformation. The only way to counteract it is to have gatekeeping, which will crush the user count and block out the biggest users, and network effect will funnel most of the rest into the biggest. (i.e. the one with the most lenient gatekeeping)

The only hope is that people realize how stupid, unrepresentative, and unsuitable social media discourse is. It's a place to find funny pictures of cats and boobs. Looking to it for anything serious, or pretending what you see there is representative of anything, is pointless at best and likely harmful.

[-] scoobford@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 days ago

It's a pretty regulaely a big problem here.

But to answer your question, just check sources, verify with a second outlet, and call it out when you see it. That's all you can do on an individual level.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

I look at any individual's history when they post anything sketchy and contextualize. Anything politically motivated is likely a shill unless they have a long broadly engaged post history across many subjects with depth. I block a lot of people too.

[-] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

I look at any individual’s history when they post anything sketchy and contextualize. […]

I am concerned that this would distill down to argumentum ad hominem.

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 2 points 5 days ago

Do you seriously think someone is getting paid to come shill for a cause on Lemmy?

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I think it is bots everywhere. Yeah, I have seen new and unused accounts post stuff with a clearly political agenda. We are in the age of individual targeting. A single very skilled dev could substantially alter public zeitgeist. It has become common for scripted botnets to exist. The idea of a nation like Israel the US or Russia creating such influence is well within scope. Russia brags about their ability to shape public opinion. I think the most influential people are actually not the super popular influencers. I think the real influencers are the next layer deeper like many people here. Super popular people are repackaging the things that people in places like here are not very good at communicating at scale. Maybe it is just my bias, but I often do projects and share ideas I have never seen before then watch others do them better than myself in ways that are far more popular than mine. I have no delusion of grandeur, it is just a pattern I've spotted a few times in life and seen it happen to others. The masses are mostly like a school of fish or mice following the piper blindly. People that are capable of thinking for themselves are the ones to watch carefully.

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 3 points 4 days ago

I’m not questioning whether such actors exist - I’m questioning why anyone would waste their time on a platform as tiny as Lemmy. Even if they were successful, the number of people they could sway here is minuscule. That time and effort would be far better spent on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, or YouTube, where the reach is exponentially greater.

I also question people’s ability to detect these actors in the first place. The common assumption seems to be that they’re pushing unpopular opinions that go against your beliefs - but I don’t think that’s their strategy. It seems far more effective to infiltrate echo chambers and feed the narrative within them, reinforcing the beliefs people already hold. That naturally escalates tensions with those in opposing camps, whose beliefs have also been artificially amplified.

I don’t think the main goal is to spread a specific worldview - it’s to sow chaos, distrust, and push society toward implosion from the inside.

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[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 7 points 5 days ago

Hardly an issue on Lemmy?

Or does it just feel that way when everyone around you has the same views?

[-] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What concrete steps can be taken to combat misinformation on social media? […]

Regarding my own content: I do my best to cite any claim that I make, no matter how trivial. If I make a statement for which I lack confidence in its veracity, I do my best to convey that uncertainty. I do my best to convey explicitly whether a statement is a joke, or sarcasm.

Fundamentally, my approach to this issue is based on this quote:

Rationality is not a character trait, it's a process. If you fool yourself into believing that you're rational by default, you open yourself up to the most irrational thinking. ^[1]^

Regarding the content of others: If I come across something that I believe to be false, I try to politely respond to it with a sufficiently and honestly cited statement explaining why I think it is false. If I come across something of unknown veracity/clarity, I try to politely challenge the individual responsible to clarify their intent/meaning.

For clarity, I have no evidence to support that what I'm doing is an effective means to this end, but I want to believe that it's helping in at least some small way.

References

  1. Type: Comment. Author: "@The8BitPianist". Publisher: [Type: Post (Video). Title: "On These Questions, Smarter People Do Worse". Author: "Veritasium" ("@veritasium"). Publisher: YouTube. Published: 2024-11-04T16:48:03Z. URI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB_OApdxcno.]. Published: 2024-11-04T09:06:26Z. Accessed: 2025-03-29T07:48Z. URI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB_OApdxcno&lc=Ugy6vV7Z3EeFHkdfbHl4AaABAg.

What concrete steps can be taken to combat misinformation on social media?

[-] Truscape 6 points 5 days ago

Linking to sources, that is a big one. Even something as honest as "I read it off this Wikipedia page [link]" goes a long way in showing that the poster is not pulling an idea out of their ass.

I will always prefer having debates where both sides cite their information, even if there isn't a satisfying agreement at the end. Plus, faulty sources can be debunked when more eyes are able to scrutinize it.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

On the opposite end of the spectrum:

"I put it into chatGPT and it said George Soros is funding ISIS to raid Epstein Island."

[-] Truscape 3 points 5 days ago

Still more credibility if you cite it rather than copy+paste XD

(And we can laugh at the poster who decided that was a valid source)

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

impossible, when the platform itself is the one enabling or promoting, google/youtube, meta all allows it and encourages because its more advertisement money, plus it shores up male/right wing voters which will benefit the companies in the long run in the form of low/non-existent taxes plus tax havens, they think long term. "left leaning"(that is not annoying tankie rhetoric) content is almost universally quashed or heavily astroturfed on most SOCIAL media.

Reddit is getting there. Only way is to host your own forum ,and have controls, probably some form automation to block trolls spammers. the users should be cognizant what is being said and fact checking themselves to prevent themselves from being drawn into disinformation/misinformation.

[-] bsit@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If we want to go the route of the Responsibility of the Individual: Resolve to not get your political etc. news from social media. Draw a line for yourself: cool to get gaming news from random influencers online? Probably. News about global events? At this point might be better for most people's mental health to ignore them and focus more locally. However, read how to read a book, make your best effort at finding a reputable news organization and check those for news if you must have them. On same vein, if you don't read at least some article about an event being discussed on social media, DON'T COMMENT. Don't engage with that post. If it really grabs at you, go find an article about it from a trusted source, and depending on how much it animates you, try to get a bigger picture of the event. Assume that vast majority of ALL CONTENT online is currently incentivized to engage you - to capture your attention, which is actually the most valuable asset you have. Where you put your attention will define how you feel about your life. It's highly advicable to put it where you feel love.

Responsibility of the Collective: Moving in hierarchies, we can start demanding that social media moderators (or whatever passes for those in any given site) prevent misinformation as much as possible. Try to only join communities that have mods that do this. Failing that, demand social media platforms prevent misinformation. Failing that, we can demand the government does more to prevent misinformation. All of those solutions have significant issues, one of them being they are all very incentivized to capture the attenttion of as many people as possible. Doesn't matter what the exact motivation is - it could be a geneinly good one. A news organization uses social media tactics to get the views so that their actually very factual and dilligently compiled articles get the spread. Or, they could be looking to drive their political agenda - which they necessarily do anyway because desire to be factual and as neutral as possible is a stance as well. One that may run afoul of the interests of some government that doesn't value freedom of press - which is very dangerous and you need to think hard for yourself how you feel about the idea of the government limiting what kind of information you can access. For the purposes of making this shorter, you can regard massive social media platforms as virtual governments too. In fact, it would be a good idea in general.

The thing with misinformation is that many people who talk about it subtly think that they are above it themselves. They're thinking that they know they're not subject to propaganda and manipulation but it's the other poor fools that need to be protected from it. It's the Qanon and Antivaxxers. But you know better, you know how to dig deeper into massively complicated global topics and find out what the true and right opinion about them is. You can't. Not even if we weren't in the middle of multiple fucking information wars. You'd do well to focus on what you can know for sure, in your own experience. If you don't like the idea of individual responsibility though, because "most people aren't going to do it" - your best bet at getting a collective response is a group of individuals coming together under the same ideal. It'll happen sooner or later anyway and there's going to be plenty of suffering before either way.

[-] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

[…] read how to read a book […]

Thank you for the recommendation 😊

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

we can start demanding that social media moderators (or whatever passes for those in any given site) prevent misinformation as much as possible.

Yeah, but how are you expecting moderators to determine what is and isn't misinformation?

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[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

It honestly just depends on how many steps you want. You're going to have to figure out the logistics of taking them, first of all. Do you want to take a premade set of steps or would you rather mold/cast them onsite?

Obviously concrete is heavy af, so if you are going to precast them, you might consider using less steps. The more steps you add, the heavier its going to be. Of course, this isn't an issue if you have a heavy duty vehicle with a lift.

Also, do you want rails on them? That will take extra time to set them in place.

Some examples i would recommend would be something like these.

Or maybe this

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago

Media literacy is an old and important topic. Are you asking for an introduction to it?

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

IMO, the typical approach of using fact-checking services to rate the accuracy of sources is inevitably flawed: if a source (or a fact checker) builds a reputation for reliability, it will eventually be suppressed or subverted into exploiting its reputation for other purposes.

A better option might be to treat all sources as potentially informative, but not at face value: rather, build a predictive model of each source, and treat as significant only those stories that deviate from prediction (i.e., stories that seem atypical for that source). Those are the stories most likely to convey information the source didn’t generate itself.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

That's certainly a good point, but I'm less concerned with how to verify information than with how to counteract the constant flow of misinformation — especially on other platforms where misinformation is deliberately pushed, which is causing major problems in my home country alone.

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