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All recommendations are welcome. In particular how to vibrate a two part mold without it breaking apart. I did not weigh the mix and water, but i suspect i used too much water. Also added about 2% plasticizer.

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[-] jay2@beehaw.org 4 points 11 hours ago

Hi. I'm a refractory designer. I have over 30 years of experience in creating linings for industrial furnaces with bricks and monolithics, including what we would call 'Precast shapes' of which this would be included.

Those are definitely air pockets stemming from the pour that were not vibrated out. It could be your aggregate size is making it difficult. I don't know the product you are using, but often there are 'fine' versions that feature a smaller grain size just for better consistency when pouring. I would never recommend gunning something like this.

As far as vibration goes, they sell industrial vibrators with long rubber mixing tips. I might have video from a few of my precast shapes showing a large precast shape getting vibrated. Everything about it just screams dildo and you feel silly, but it is what it is, and it does work.

You'll know if you add too much water. It will be brittle and fail if you can even get the mold released. More water is never a solution. Better PH is superior to more water.

Vibration can be achieved by building an outer box for your foam insert. Wood can work for something this size probably, but metal would be best. You can then use any vibratory method that works. Pour direction matters too, but it opens ugly doors like lifting and drying.

[-] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 2 points 21 hours ago

Consider lubricating the inside of the mould so it'll release better and some reinforcing mesh. eg, cooking oil spray, raw fiber glass.

[-] jay2@beehaw.org 2 points 11 hours ago

we used a custom mix that was affectionately nicknamed 'the grog', but it was mostly wd-40 and white lightning lithium grease.

[-] Fjdybank@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Haven't vibrated it enough. 100%. But it's interesting because your void distribution is pretty consistent... im guessing you vibrated the mould rather than the mix.

Your problem is not mix consistency, it's entrained air. Mould vibration (esp with a small mould) is not good at removing entrained air.

Try a needle vibrator on your next one. Maybe an old tooth brush?

Edit: don't forget to treat your forms. You want to apply specialised compound to reduce adhesion between concrete and form, so when you strip forms, pockets of uncured mix don't 'pull away' from your piece.

[-] wiegell@feddit.dk 3 points 1 day ago

Thank you for the advice. Do you really think a toothbrush will work? ^^ I read somewhere that oil spray (you know for pans and stuff) was good, so i tried that and it seemed to work fine, the form slipped pretty easily.

[-] runner_g 4 points 1 day ago

Pam or similar should be fine as a mould release. A YouTuber we watch, Evan and Katelyn, did an experiment testing different vibration methods for concrete, and they found a personal vibrator (yes, that) was the best for smaller projects like this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OOFOxDiOgEA&pp=ygUZRXZhbiBhbmQgS2F0ZWx5biBjb25jcmV0ZQ%3D%3D

[-] Fjdybank@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Both good options. Don't need to be fancy, so long as it works.

Re the vibrator recommendation - that's hilarious but apt. You want something that doesn't move a lot, but oscillates a ton. A vibrator fits those requirements. A mechanical toothbrush could work in a pinch, but you don't want the rotating toothbrush head, it's the motor vibrations (offset? Can't remember) doing the trick.

[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Out of curiosity, what are you making?

[-] wiegell@feddit.dk 5 points 1 day ago

I want to make a drain where this puddle forms, but stock drains from hardwarestores expects more difference in the ground levels. I only have a few centimeters to work with to a french drain around the corner, so i want the outlet to be on the side close to the surface. I have a drain grate that will fit on top of this thing.

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That many voids implies not enough vibration to me

[-] Buffalobuffalo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The vibration required is pretty serious. If you look into how they make concrete bricks you need a lot of force and control for the frequency to make it effective.

https://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1024&context=mesp

I used this as a basis designing a table to vibrate epoxy-concrete molds for machine tools. You'd want the dildo attached to a hammer drill style vibrator for small scale application. https://i.imgur.com/RcIcqk1.jpeg I used a steel plate here, 2hp Craigslist motor, bicycle tubes, rubber and wood. My plan was for larger molds..

That, and the aggregate ratio also being the two critical parameters. Edit: the whole requirement is also dependent on your needs. You can change a lot if you don't need serious strength to better target surface finish.

[-] wiegell@feddit.dk 4 points 1 day ago

I forgot i had this, will try it though the frequency is probably lower than what you suggest.

[-] 7EP6vuI@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

how do you vibrate? do you try to vibrate your whole mold? like using a "concrete vibrating table"?

maybe you can build you a equivalent of a "handheld concrete vibrator" in even smaller, and just put it into the concrete?

[-] wiegell@feddit.dk 3 points 1 day ago

Well i just tried holding the bottom of my multicutter onto the mold, probably was not enough. Maybe if i put the entire thing on a plate i can vibrate the whole plate somehow…

[-] bryndos@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago

I'm no expert but maybe also need some more larger particles in the mix. Is this just cement and sharp sand?

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