The truth:
windows is the one that should be the toy wheel here.
macos is unix, and quite solid
and im a big apple hater.
Lol, call me back when they support bsd jails. Or a five button mouse. Or a decent amount of RAM. Or a package manager. Or more than 2 ports. Or an SDCard slot
My 2022 macbook pro has a charging port, four USB-C ports (one of which can be used for charging as well), an HDMI port, a minijack port, and an SD card slot.
I use homebrew for package management, and have yet to be dissatisfied with that.
This machine also happens to have 32 GB of RAM.
I don't know about mouse-support, but I mostly use my keyboard for everything, and have yet to miss having more than two buttons and a scroll wheel on my mouse. With my previous (2012) macbook however, I used a five-button mouse sometimes.
Really don't know where you get your info on macs, but you it seems you missed the phone when you were called back sometime around 2010.
Brew is shit. I've had to use it, and wouldn't chose to ever again. 32gig of RAM? For professional work? What is this, 2009? 4 ports is good, and good to hear about the sd-card finally. And you're supporting the mac mouse? With the charging port on the bottom?
You may think it fine. But for the money I think Macs are vastly inferior to a decent thinkpad, dell, or even HP
If you need more than 32 GB of RAM, I'm pretty sure you're no longer looking for a laptop. I mean sure, you can get up to 128 GB on a macbook, but if you need that kind of volume you're doing professional work on something that is specifically extremely RAM-intensive.
I didn't support the apple-mouse, in fact I don't like it at all, primarily because I don't like the feel of it. Personally, I use a completely ordinary, cheap mouse with two buttons and a scroll wheel.
What are you smoking that 32gb of RAM is 09? 32gb is more than enough for most users in 2025, hell 16gb is still quite enough for most use cases.
Most mac users I've known either use the touchpad or MX Master, very few use the magic mouse. And build quality is much better than the equivalent plastic garbage from HP or Dell.
i mean, its obviously no linux...
wait, it doesn't support five button mice?
I'm not sure this is necessary, my five button mouse worked just fine on the mbp my work forced me to use in 2020. The only issue was pointer speed is wonky, and the scroll wheel is intentionally stupid.
But the buttons work like Linux uses them, not like windows uses them. Which is fine, but I can see how the uninitiated would have a problem with that.
no way this has to exist 😂
I have always hated Apple the company... the products are way too overpriced and nerfd but Ok overall
That’s my phone choice. Lol can you imagine the amount of tasks needed to complete to accept/deny incoming/outgoing transactions..
I’m gonna say windows is more like a cybertruck truck. Full of bloat, spyware, and half the features are not like to slice a finger off than do what it’s supposed to- and definitely not bullet proof.
For the love of Pete, not this again.
Many flavors of Linux are more simple and user friendly than Windows or Mac.
Mac is unix-based and very similar to Linux in many ways.
Windows is like that car that Homer Simpson designed.
Maybe decades ago, but not now.
Yeah, Mac stuff is white or silver now. They stopped doing the colourful stuff 20-odd years ago.
Mac osx has unix command prompts built in and the ability to containerize out of the gate. Windows requires WSL and a bunch of other shit to achieve a substantially worse effect.
Exactly. Modern Windows is like Tesla - shiny exterior built on top of garbage cobbled together with paperclips and duct tape. No visible knobs, no easy to access features, everything hidden behind layers of needless menus and abstraction with the express goal to extract maximum value from their 'customers'.
I'm not an Apple fanboy by any means but I feel like the two ecosystems are much closer now than they were 10-15 years ago.
It's an older meme sir but it doesn't check out anymore.
Inaccurate.
If you're a Linux user why wouldn't you unlock MacOS' potential by using the command line? MacOS is UNIX based, so you have access to its guts, just as you would any other UNIX based system.
Exactly. MacOS is the best of both worlds; it’s my absolute favorite distro of BSD.
It’s not just UNIX based; it is a certified UNIX OS:
https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/
Because I'm not going to willingly give my creative efforts over to a corporation that will hold it hostage and only allow me to work so long as I'm using only their products.
It's interesting to see a modern, POSIX compliant, Unix implementation characterized as a children's toy. These arguments are simple minded. I develop on a Mac, and deploy it to Linux in most cases. And yes I do understand that this is also possible on widows now - but not my preference.
From your comment I'm going to guess that like most in this community, and lemmy as a whole, you know a lot more about this than your average user.
From the perspective of a reasonably tech savvy person that doesn't like to be told how to do things and is willing to put in a little effort, the question I ask is this; is this hardware I bought actually mine to do with as I please out of the box with a minimum amount of guardrails to stop me from doing something really stupid unless I know what I'm doing as opposed to just licensing it from a nanny?
Linux - yes, maybe too much, at least for me.
Windows - yeah, usually.
Mac - lmao no, stfu and take your sippy cup.
And there is nothing wrong with someone who is just a user saying "I don't ever want to deal with any of this shit, I'll take the sippy cup." But it's still a sippy cup.
I really don't see backing for this take like... anywhere?
Sure: Linux gives you absolute control, I won't debate that. I work on a Mac however, and haven't yet found any guard rails that a simple sudo !!
won't get me passed.
Windows on the other hand requires you to do all sorts of arcane shit if you want to do anything at all outside of checking boxes in a shitty GUI to enable/disable features.
This is some boomer level “hurr hurr” bullshit that is just patently not true. Keep giving Microsoft credit it doesn’t deserve.
I'd reverse Windows and Mac. Mac is sleek, smooth, pleasant, well integrated, solid, stable, and has a good shell. They have great machines with great specs and are well built. They also take some learning to become efficient with.
Windows on the other hand, is cheap, buggy, ugly, unstable, comes pre-packaged with flashy junk, breaks easily, any child can use it and then break it.
I completely agree. As a software developer I preferred when I had a Mac whereas our company uses Windows and Microsoft for everything and it just meh.
Mac was so easy to do everything from the terminal or the search bar.
Jeepers. These comments. I agree with you. I love Linux, but, unless you’re lucky enough to have perfect hardware, Linux is still a bit hard to use. Mac and Windows are heading that way too. Macs require a Mac, and new Windows PCs have hardware requirements as well. I’m on my third distro for one of my Linux PCs because of hardware issues. I love Linux, but sometimes it’s a pain.
As an engineer, I would rather develop on Mac than any other OS. I have shit to do and need to work in a POSIX compliant OS without bloat, while also not worrying about my OS install getting borked arbitrarily because I looked at it wrong.
You know macOS ships with a terminal ootb, right? There's a reason it's a massively popular option for devs.
This is Mac
And this is Windows
Lies. I see no cameras and keyloggers on the windows side.
I was going to say that to make this accurate they need to show the complete car for windows.
There is a copilot in the passenger seat writing down everything you do and making suggestions left and right, and the screen has to have ad's on it.
The back seats are empty and the rear doors are locked because you don't havn't licensed them.
Windows needs to be big brother watching at all times while forcing ads down your throat.
Apple just needs a very high price tag.
My 97yo grandma uses Linux without even being aware what OS she's on. Web sites open the same. Telegram works the same.
Anyone saying Linux isn't user friendly hasn't used it in decades or ever.
Most Windows/macos users wouldn't be able to install those either so that's a non argument.
I'll take any excuse that I can get to dump this story somewhere. A relative of mine has bought an iMac. She created some videos with it. After some time has passed, the Mac's native Apple media player (I forgot the name) refused to play the videos she has created with the Apple iMac software. But it conveniently pointed her to a 20 € "upgrade" that she could buy to make it work again. She asked me for help, I installed MPV instead. Worked like a charm. On an unrelated note, that thing is glued together, and the storage is soldered on, likewise is the ram.
"Apple's design is so simple!". Why do people put up with this trash?
Edit: I forgot to mention all of the videos were in Apple's own .mov format.
Windows is most definitely not a fucking viper. Try Reliant Robin
As much as I hate MacOS I love their interface aesthetic.
And it's an official Unix system, which seems to bother some Linux users.
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