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It showed up out of nowhere, made the most bank in history (for a movie), refused to explain and disappeared for like 15 years, then came back out of nowhere with a sequel movie, a AAA game, and like 3 more movies in the works.

Edit: I think it now has like a Lego line too?

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 3 days ago

Well it had James Cameron as a director which automatically meant was going to make money. Also it was technically very impressive for the time which was kind of the point. Cameron made a huge deal of how this was a story that he'd wanted to tell for ages but hadn't been able to until the technology got to the point where he could use it.

After the movie came out there wasn't really any obvious path forward. It wasn't supposed to be a franchise it was just a movie that stood on its own. So nothing happened for years.

Then things like the volume came along and it started getting used even in TV productions, and suddenly a whole new level of capability arose and so they decided that they would make another movie only this time why stop at just one?

[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 202 points 5 days ago

It’s all a lot less fantastical when you compare it to Pocahontas:

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 87 points 4 days ago

Or Fern Gully, or Dances With Wolves... it's not exactly an uncommon story.

[-] moakley@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago

Ah, but before Avatar came along it was never quite so poorly written!

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[-] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 60 points 4 days ago

Dances with Smurfs

[-] simple@piefed.social 40 points 4 days ago

Yes but Disney's Pocahontas was boring to tears while Avatar has cool hair-sex and explosions

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago

And it is otherwise entirely dull and forgettable. Despite making so much money, it barely made any cultural impact. Nobody quotes Avatar like ever.

[-] kurcatovium@piefed.social 48 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The reason it was such a hit at the time was mainly its visuals, IMO. Story might be predictable and shallow, but you can't deny it looks beautiful. All the colorful jungle, alien species, green mountain peaks and needle rocks, it's all just very pleasant to look at. What also helped it being directed by big Hollywood name.

PS: unrelated, but it has amazing OST.

I've always looked at the Avatar movies as being more about advancing movie making technology than about creating a good movie. I think James Cameron will be more remembered for his technical advances than for this storytelling.

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[-] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 days ago

Yeah, that's kind of the point? Was the comparison between the Na'Vi and native Americans too subtle for you to notice before you saw this meme?

[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Not for me personally. Just find it funny how 1:1 it is with the original. This meme has been around since the year the movie came out.

[-] Grimtuck@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

But you could do this with every story/movie trope that's been repeated throughout our species history. The concept of retelling stories in different contexts is itself not new but for sure reason Avatar gets overly criticised for it.

You don't see the same criticisms for every bank heist movie that all follow the same basic premises as each other. I just did it a bit weird why so many people are against this particular trope. Is it because it tries to deal with our history of oppression and colonisation? I honestly don't know.

I doubt there are any truly original stories that couldn't be shown to be a retelling of another. I would even argue that some genres wouldn't exist if this wasn't a thing.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

You don't see the same criticisms for every bank heist movie that all follow the same basic premises as each other

That's because I generally don't have to hear about every bank heist movie; you can't avoid Avatar

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[-] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

it is unapologetically in favor of preserving nature, anticapitalist, and anti military. the boys from chapo trap house like it and point out that its one of the few movies with a mainstream theatrical release in which the audience is made to cheer on the blue furry hippie throwing a bunch of US marines out of a helicopter to their death.

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago

Anticapitalist that made over 2 Billion dollars...

[-] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago
[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

It is a solid point about the irony though. It's one of the biggest consumer capitalism things ever, even if it's anti-capitalism they're selling on the screen.

[-] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Why do you think the aliens are blue natives?

Because if they were white folk, the message would resonate too much with the general audience.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 67 points 4 days ago

Pretty sure it now has a theme park or something, doesn't it?

It's bizarre how much "stuff" there is for the blue people Avatar franchise, considering what a tiny lasting cultural impact the original movie had.

The original movie was an incredible tech demo. It was an utterly forgettable movie. I had no desire to bother watching the sequel.

[-] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 days ago

Sure, the movies aren't very deep, but the world-building and visuals are pretty great. The emotional beats tend to hit as they should too so it's entertaining fluff. Sure, I enjoy a fancy steak, but I'm also going to fully enjoy cotton candy at the carnival too.

[-] kinsnik@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Yeah, i remember going to see it mostly because of 3D (which probably helped a lot in becoming one of the most successful movies ever, thanks to the novelty and higher ticket price).

But left so little impact that i can hardly remember anything about it and have no interest whatsoever in seeing the sequels.

The theme park in animal kingdom was fine

[-] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 days ago

Yah I saw the original in 3D and on acid, and it was incredible.

I also will probably never see the sequels.

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[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 64 points 5 days ago

"Showed up out of nowhere", ie. in development since the mid 90's; "made the most bank", ie. made the 2nd most bank; "disappeared", ie. Cameron said that there would be 4 sequels and that they're being worked on; "came back out of nowhere", ie. the first sequel came out more or less when it was supposed to, and Cameron said in 2020 that filming on Avatar 3 was nearly finished.

[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 64 points 4 days ago

i feel like the feeling of them coming "out of nowhere" and "disappearing" is created by how little cultural impact those movies managed to create. like give me a single quote, anything memorable from the story itself. we all remember it is a beautiful film to watch, but the plot might as well be a theme park ride around an alien world

nobody talks about it, there is nothing to talk about

[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

like give me a single quote, anything memorable from the story itself

Well there was the part where the… uh… the guy, whatshisface said…

Wait, no… ok well how about when the… um… there was that one part in… err, either the first or the second movie, one of the aliens did… umm…

You know what, I'll get back to you on this one

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

"JakeSully" - Blue catgirl Gamora

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

See this? That's Unobtainium.

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[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Bet you're a hoot at parties

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

Its a franchise built solely on spectacle, by a man who knows spectacle.

[-] Mike_Hunt@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

Semi related: i once lost an internet friend because he mentioned avatar and my dumb arse thought he was talking about the movies when he was talking about the anime

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 26 points 4 days ago

I want to hear the original version of the soundtrack. I do not care about the actual film at all, but supposedly Cameron hired a bunch of leading ethnomusicologists to attempt to create something unlike any music on Earth, only to then ditch the majority of what they made because it sounded too weird

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

And a huge park section at Disneyworld

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 days ago

Man, it's just so friggin boring. I gave up on the second movie halfway through and I struggled through the first one. I don't understand why it became a global blockbuster.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 11 points 4 days ago

In “How To With John Wilson” he finds an actual Avatar fan group who like to dress up as blue aliens, but it still felt super niche for a multi billion dollar film series. It’s like everyone simply forgets about it when there’s not one on in cinemas.

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[-] digger@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago

Are we not going to talk about the fact that the logo uses something that is almost identical to the Papyrus font?

[-] DemBoSain@midwest.social 11 points 4 days ago

"I KNOW WHAT YOU DID!!"

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[-] IWW4@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 days ago

Avatar didn’t come out of nowhere at all. It is made by one of the most beloved and successful film makers in history. The hype leading up to that movie was off the charts.

[-] gezero@lemmy.bowyerhub.uk 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I saw the first movie, forgot almost completely what it was about. But I have to admit I thought it would be about the the Airbender. Half of the movie I felt stupid and cheated at the same time... Probably why I don't remember what it was about.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

People think it's so cool to shit on this series and have nothing to say about the Marvel dogshit lol

[-] jqubed@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

I think it made so much money at the box office because it was so visually stunning (for the time) and no one had made a movie like that at that point. It was very much a movie everyone said to go watch on the big screen in 3D, ideally IMAX 3D. I never did and only watched it on a DVD borrowed from my wife’s friend 6 or 7 years ago, and came away less impressed. Like, it’s fine, but the movie itself isn’t exactly the greatest story ever told, and the visuals, while groundbreaking at the time, are now pretty standard.

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