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Defederated from Feddit.nl. Update: Refederated! (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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Lately we have been dealing with a few abusive members from Feddit.nl and we were unable to get in touch with the instance administrator.

Part of the problem is the instance's open registrations which do not require you to enter an e-mail address during signup. This in combination with an inactive admin is a recipe for abuse.

We hope this is only temporary but we have to do this to protect our users.

Edit: we use fediseer, have a look https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.world

Edit 2: We got in touch with the Feddit.nl admin. Email requirements were added to the sign-up process and we're setting up a communication channel. So that means we are federating with Feddit.nl again!

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[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 267 points 2 years ago

[-] r0m2@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

I love it!

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

99.999999% of the time I see a giant image I block the user because they're annoying...

That shit is just too perfect tho

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[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 200 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thanks for the transparency, sad to hear as always to see a country specific instance to go unmanaged

Edit: I guess a few people will miss !trendingcommunities@feddit.nl from @freamon@endlesstalk.org

[-] freamon@endlesstalk.org 74 points 2 years ago

Will probably post to both for a while, until we have some kind of resolution.

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[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago

You can still go to the instance and read it, subscribe to it from a non-defederated instance, or even create an account there directly.

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[-] nero@lemmy.world 135 points 2 years ago

Sucks to see my home countries instance isn’t being moderated properly

[-] ruud@lemmy.world 137 points 2 years ago

Well .world is also managed partly from NL :-)

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[-] antik@lemmy.world 83 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Vinden wij ook hoor

Edit: we think so too

Better learn dutch now for when it becomes our instance's primary language once @ruud, @quinten and I pushed out the other admins.

[-] quinten@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

Don’t tell our plans…

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[-] Transcendant@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago

Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it seems like everytime .world defeds from a problematic instance, it's almost immediately smashed with DDOS attacks.

The beauty of lemmy as I see it though IS the federation, if .world is down no worries, I'll just browse on sopuli.xyz or any of the multitude of other instances :) we are like a sexy hydra of positivity.

[-] Ab_intra@lemmy.world 65 points 2 years ago

You guys are very transparent and that's great. Thanks for keeping us in the loop.

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[-] BitingChaos@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago

Part of the problem is the instance's open registrations which do not require you to enter an e-mail address during signup.

How is this even a thing? Why would the Lemmy software even allow operation like this?

[-] tpyo@lemmy.world 125 points 2 years ago

Back when I signed up for reddit, you didn't need an email and they warned you if you lost your password you'd be locked out of your account until you regained it and they would not offer support to reset it

I liked that. I don't want to have to submit my email for everything just to interact

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

One of the reasons I have my own email domain and random email addresses for certain services.

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[-] SpliceVW@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago

Let's be real - an email address doesn't really stop much of anything. Anyone can really easily spin up new email addresses freely.

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[-] Asudox@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago

Lemmy is open source. Everyone can modify it to fit their needs.

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago

Because anyone running it can decide to do it this way. That's how code works; you can edit it. Even if the option wasn't there, if any instance admin wants that to happen it's easy to do.

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Last I checked, even Reddit allows signups without an email address…

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[-] tedvdb@feddit.nl 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Good to be back! 😅 🥳

[-] antik@feddit.nl 22 points 2 years ago

It's funny that this post on feddit.nl has 20 upvotes. It doesn't catch up once the federation starts again. I thought it would tbh

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[-] Squander@lemmy.world 59 points 2 years ago

I feel your frustration with "unable to get in touch with the instance administrator". I'm waiting for a response from @ruud and @MichelleG from 9 days ago regarding abusive members.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 95 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This was not about "abusive members" this was about a member having too many communities according to you. We both seem to have a very different definition of "abuse".

The user in question does have a lot of communities but he is very active and has different moderators who he manages. Also, when the moderators of these communities do well he transfers the community over to them. As recently as yesterday when he transferred !movies@lemmy.world and !marvelstudios@lemmy.world.

While he has a lot of communities he does a good job managing his communities and training moderators and is making our lives as admins easier. If someone has a lot of communities and doesn't do anything with them, that is squatting and we take action. I think we have a good track record of that.

So unless there is something we are missing I really would not call any of what the user in question did "abusive".

Lastly the best way to get someone to look at your problem is to use the report feature. The reason you got no reply in nine days is because there was no problem.

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[-] freamon@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They've already replied with the reasons, but - for future reference - if you want to see specifics of things like this, a censure is often posted to https://fediseer.com. .world's censure of .nl is here

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[-] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hiya! Question, is there a way we can see this sort of information ourselves as well? Namely, reports and admin activity logs.

What’s to stop an instance, then a collection of instances and so on from claiming others aren’t being actively moderated in order to censor?

Not making any accusations obviously, just a thought I had while reading.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 85 points 2 years ago

I mean, it's easy to go over to feddit.nl and see they only have one admin who has not been active in almost two weeks.

Full transparancy: the abuse we were dealing with from that instance was vote manipulation and worse, csam. Especially in the case of csam we can not wait for days for a reaction.

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[-] Tenthrow@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago

The modlog for the entire instance is available in a link at the bottom and the sidebar on the main page. Everything should be there.

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[-] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thanks for all you do!

Somewhat related: any word on re-enabling image uploads? I understand completely why you had to do it, just wondering if there's a roadmap?

[-] antik@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Image uploads had an issue a while ago but should be working. Which client are you using?

[-] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago

Oh, sorry I haven't tried in a while. Looks like it's back up! Thanks!

dog

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[-] helloharu@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well that’s disappointing, but glad the lemmy.world team are making sure they are on top of it and keeping transparency with all that you do. Thank you.

[-] eee@lemm.ee 32 points 2 years ago

It seems like the user who posted the csam has been banned, does that mean the admin/mod is active again?

[-] GONADS125@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

With the nature of the recent attacks I think it makes perfect sense to take strong precautions necessary to protect the community. Can always refederate when/if the admin gets ahold of the situation.

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[-] PrinceHabib72@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Stuff like this is going to kill the momentum of the fediverse. I'm a reddit refugee, my main account started on vlemmy.net (because it had a policy to not defederate from anything), and when that went poof, I moved to feddit.nl (because it has a policy to not defederate from anything). I believe it is MY prerogative, and no one else's, to decide what I am or am not allowed to see. I curate my own feed by blocking or subscribing to instances I don't or do want to see, respectively.

Regardless of any of this, however, I am now unable to view any content on .world without this account, due to actions entirely outside of my control. Since hosting my own instance is out of the question for me, my options are: find a third instance with a no-defederation policy that hasn't been defederated itself from major instances, have multiple accounts and browse each instance individually, stop browsing altogether, or go back to reddit. As distasteful as the last option is, it's tempting. I know the impulse will be to tell me "good riddance", but I am posting this because I know there are others like me that are tired of instance hopping and trying to find somewhere that doesn't try to police our browsing and also isn't defederated from major instances.

For the record, I don't want a no-defederation instance because I want to browse Nazi or pedo instances. I want a no-defederation instance because I have a principled objection to others telling me what I can or cannot view.

[-] DarkWasp@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I actually prefer that instances can do this, the whole point is to find one you more closely align with like old school forums. The ones they’ve done this to are either mass brigading, full of Nazis or sharing CSAM. They have every right to protect their users from that kind of stuff or make those decisions when they’re individuals paying to run an instance.

Until there’s a tool I can use to fully block instances myself (which I don’t see available) this is the way it’s run. Maybe the fediverse just isn’t for you? As someone who grew up using old school forums this is completely fine and expected. If I am running a website (or store) I have every right to manage it the way I see fit.

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[-] leraje 25 points 2 years ago

A user on there posted CSAM. Given that images federate too and that moderation over there seems to be lacking, do you not think it's unrealistic not to expect defederation?