June "No Kings" saw the largest single day protests in US history. This is a healthy response by the population. We do absolutely need to move beyond the limits of street protests, and onto the development of a mass strike movement; however, the fact that masses of people are willing to go out and protest on a largely spontaneous basis is significant. What is needed is clear revolutionary political perspective. When this understanding grips the masses, particularly the working class, the movement will take on an explosivly historic significance.
I don't feel like it's ever going to progress past this though. It only gets this far because it's as convenient as possible. The no kings protest emptied out after only a couple hours last time I expect the same here no one commits any amount of sacrifice.
I think this sort of pessimism is hopelessly self defeating. People are looking for meaningful ways to fight back. What they lack is organization and leadership. What are you doing to develop this?
I have attended protests and will do so again, but I have no illusions that the fascists will simply ignore them. This may build up more frustration from people, but the sooner we can plan a general strike the better. The nazi ticks are just burrowing deeper.
It’s an hour long protest. What does anyone think that will accomplish. The “tree huggers” chain themselves to things ffs.
If you complain something won't do anything, then you must propose a better thing or the only thing you want is apathy.
He literally gave an example of a more committed response. We're lazy
Was "chaining themselves to trees" not clear?
The protests by themselves are certainly inadequate, despite the impressive turnout. What makes the difference is what we do with them. Last time I went out, I distributed statements, made contacts and even received some donations. People are seeking out fighting perspectives. They need organization and leadership.
Epstein should be the theme. It even has traction with his own side. Empty G and I are on the same side, for the first, and very probably only, time.
Even with this theme, Epstein should feature prominently. This is the first time that an issue has resonated so strongly with his own following. The entire Q Anon thing started over conspiracy theories about Democratic Child Sex Trafficking, HitlerPig amplified it, and rode it to power.
And now we've come to the really deliciously ironic part. MAGAs treated this issue like the only people who could possibly be in the files are Democrats like the Clintons, but they're finding out that even if that's so, Dems don't care. We're all sick of the spineless establishment Dems anyway, go ahead and toss them in jail. Now we have finally reached that moment we have been careening towards for years, and their bluff is literally being called, but instead of showing their cards, they have to show the files, and they don't want to do that because there are a LOT more MAGAs than Dems. Even more ironic, usually they aren't holding anything when they bluff, but in this case, we know they are holding a Red Royal Flush.
If it turns out that the Epstein Files were full of MAGAs who could have been destroyed, but the Biden administration chose to give them a break in order to protect the Clinton's, or some other Democratic perv, then that's a secondary scandal.
Keep up the pressure, increase it steadily, and this could be the thing that brings him down.
The files were sealed under court order until January. Biden didn't have the opportunity to release the files.
Besides all the other anti equal rights, anti justice, anti democratic, fascist bullshit trump likes, this is also acceptable to him and netanyahu:
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Nothing will change until Americans are willing to disrupt. General Strikes are effective. Shut it all down and see how quickly things change. It's not easy but until you get the appetite for it, nothing will change.
As an American (I know some people will scoff at that statement but that's what we would genuinely say), but I feel like protests are effectively pointless in the modern day. The people in power don't care and even Amy Coney Barrett has said how she has people around her house day and night and that they are wasting their time. Protests are great for the morale of the protestors, but they effectively don't have any impact on people in office. I like the idea of protests, I support what most protestors are doing, but I don't feel like they are making any real difference to the political stance of those they are protesting.
Agreed. Protests that don't disrupt anything are about as effective as online petitions.
Except that protests that actually disrupt something get you arrested. Still doesn't actually do much in the USA.
That's the thing. You have to get enough people arrested that the system can't handle it. Its tough to find that many people willing to make that sacrifice until things get much worse than they are now
Eh, that's not really a good example. The US already has more people incarcerated per capita than any other country. The biggest limitation is how many people they can arrest at one time, not how many people they will arrest total. You might be able to get enough people to protest at once that they can't arrest them all at once, but they absolutely will arrest them over 1-3 years. They kept arresting Jan 6th people for 4 years under Biden, you don't think that the current administration will be after you as long as possible?
Jan 6 is actually the example I was thinking of. The system was overwhelmed enough that it took so long that their guy took office and pardoned everyone.
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Its sorta sad I never see something like this on the 50501 communities. I feel someone made them with the intention that someone else would do it. Anyway https://www.rageagainsttheregime.org/
We need to do a peaceful protest every month till this administration and their dear leader are gone.
F*** them up boo, let s**t hit the fan. We need a breaking point, the whole world is DONE with america, or go strike nationally. Paralyze the entire country
Can you please uncensor the two words in your comment? I can't tell what they're supposed to be.
As much as I am supportive, it is only realistic to day that it has no impact whatsoever. Until it’s Game On like Donkey Kong, we are just making ourselves feel better. I know, peacefully is how we do it. God be with ya’ll. Just remember this. The oppressors feel that god is on their side when they be getting the 30 Grand bonus for bagging folks. I’d be happy when a peaceful protest followed some ice simpletons home. I’d be interested in that.
This protest ain't doing shit.
Get the fuck out of here if you're only feedback is "the protest is useless".
That's the same feedback Trump is going to have for it.
Protest is most effective when there’s a clear escalatory path to violence. MLK was successful because Malcom X was the alternative, and the people in charge knew it.
What "shaking the ruling class" did luigi do? They shrugged it off and went right on with the most massive corrupt looting in American history. When billionaires can afford their own private armies, or better yet bend the public one to their will, they don't give a fuck about your pea shooter.
Stopping them requires taking their money. And that means winning elections and taxing the living shit out of them.
If these happen in Democrat-run cities, what is the over/under that Trump sends in the National Guard?
These types of protest. While large and making national news are very unlikely to have that type of response.
These protest are liberals going out and feeling like they did something. Which is obviously better than liberals not going out at all.
The protests that get physical response are the ones that have the potential to build into larger and more active movements. Protest with simple goals like "prevent vehicles from leaving the ICE facility". As someone that's been to protest with that goal. 100-200 people with a real material goal are much more likely to have police response than a planned parade.
These "no kings" style protest are essentially just that: planned parades. And are directed through the city in very much the same way. Again, I am not against them. But they are not serving the same purpose.
The military is NOT being used because the size of protest are large. The military is being used as a political tool to form a narrative that justifies more use of violence against civilians.
They wont attack these "protest parades" filled with large amounts of people that are not directly effected by negative effects of their fascist policies. It is much better to keep them as once a month parade members than to risk radicalizing large amounts of them into full time activists if they ever felt the sting of tear gas.
Organizing is step one. Calling it a liberal feel good party does the fascists work for them.
Yes. Because that's all I said in my comment and that's the only thing you should take from it. /s
Replies like yours are why I fucking hate the internet. Engage in the actual substance of the comment maybe; instead of just straw manning what I said for the sake of disagreement.
I'm sure that walking or standing around holding signs with passive aggressive messages on them will convince the regime to pack up and leave. That's how the Nazis were beat the first time around, right?
It was peoples capitulation and unwillingness to take a stand against the Nazi's that allowed them to win.
If there had been mass protests things might have turned out very differently.
There were literal street fights with armed militias going against the nazis. It is just that the nazis won.
To those being diswayed by comments stating that peaceful protests are useless and don't do anything, keep in mind that these comments are from people who are probably doing nothing but commenting on the internet and are useless themselves.
"Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change."
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