I feel like the reason there's been a resurgance of posts rehashing this has to do with Zohran Mamdani winning a primary in the largest city in the United States. While being openly pro-palestinian AND using the Socialist word positively to boot.
If Harris had won it is highly plausible she would have endorsed Cuomo leading to Zohran's loss.
Mamdani lends credibility to some of those 3rd party/non-voting/protest voters' strategy.
I think this causes some... feelings.
Mamdani is not third part though, because he won the primary. So he's the candidate from one of the two big parties.
Not really. New York's mayoral election has ranked choice voting so it's a different situation. Also, Cuomo is the 3rd party candidate at this stage - he's running as an independant.
If Harris had won it is highly plausible she would have endorsed Cuomo leading to Zohran’s loss.
We would also not have immigrants in concentration camps. So you know, it's a trade off.
The US has been putting migrants in camps since the Obama days. Democrats are just better at pretending they don't do it
this yet again, still seething.
democrat failure is a failure of the democrats. they knew the assignment, they didn’t want to pay the price. they chose this reality instead
it’s almost like multiple people can be wrong for different reasons
That's total bullshit. The leftists don't get a pass for not doing the absolute minimum to stop the fascists from taking power.
Imagine being more upset with 3 million leftists than 70 million republicans.
Are any of the 70 million Republicans on lemmy with us right now?
Shut the fuck up Jesus Christ this is so tiresome..
Every fucking day some smug asshole has to come and complain and whine and try and redirect people's frustration towards infighting instead of against the fascists.
How do you have this much energy to be so smug and so flacid at the same time?
It actually takes very little energy to be disappointed in nonvoters for the fucked world around us.
Every fucking day some smug asshole has to come and complain and whine and try and redirect people’s frustration towards infighting instead of against the fascists.
That's the point - these people chose to not fight against the fascists last November. Now we're all paying the price for it. Maybe after four years of Trump you people will finally learn how precious and fragile a thing your enfranchisement actually is.
It would be saying you are perfectly ok with either candidate over the other. If you say Trump is worse, but the Democrat didn't earn my vote so I didn't, that's pretty aggravating to hear. If you truly felt both options were equally bad, well I can't imagine that perspective but at least that's a rational stance for going none of the above with a different vote.
It often sounds like you will only vote for the perfect candidate who agrees fully with you on every thing, which is an impractical ideal.
All this said, the numbers didn't break in a way for those third party voters to actually have mattered this time around, so despite how frustrated people may be, there's nothing rational in harping on it for 2024.
Sadly, they both "may" be equally bad. The dems hide it well, trump flaunts it. But they both serve only the elite. Clinton was an epstien friend. And he endorsed cuomo for NY mayor because the party asked him to. They say they want to do things that help the people. But whenever the chance comes, they somehow just can't do it.
We need more parties to at least make it so people can't just run and win by not being then other guy.
And notice how they mostly just take turns being in charge. Either it is part of thier plan, or it is just proof that neither side actually does enough to be worth voting in repeatedly. Cause they could... but they won't.
I'm from Oregon, so my vote doesn't matter either way. We always go blue. At least that means we get less election propaganda in the mail and on the phone.
The important thing is to be more pissed at the Democrats for not being good enough than you you are at the Republicans for being evil. There is nothing worse than a western liberal, not even the pro-trans-murder party
This is a fucking pointless fight. If you're still talking about this responsibility shifting nonsense, it doesn't matter what side of the argument you're one, you're a part of the problem.
Y'all are still going to be fighting about this dumb bullshit while ICE handcuffs everyone. Maybe unify so that doesn't happen.
Telling leftists to stop bickering and infighting over pointless bullshit instead of actively attacking the actual enemies of democracy...
First time?
Barely anyone voted for third parties. I have much more blame for the people who didn’t bother voting than the people who voted third party.
I’ll also call out that “not bothering” ignores that a huge sect of the public gets their vote falsely purged, or has their polling location closed, or some other voter suppression tactic.
Jesus Christ the election is long over
Simply accept that out of two outcomes (leftists uniting to vote Democrat/leftists trying to send Democrats a message by not voting them in) both would lead to terrible consequences. It was a matter of time, it just got expedited to now instead of few years later.
You cannot vote democracy in if there's no fair democracy in the first place. Elections are over, they won't save you, unite over what you can do instead of wasting everything you have on infighting.
Organize and protest. Join the political organizations in your area and unionize. This is a harder way, and I know it takes time and energy to figure things out and organize and take part in all the actions made, but it is the only way that works.
Please, if you aren't already part of your local organizing teams, go search for them right now.
This PIS again...
Oh, let's not blame the Nazis and their supporters in 1930s Germany. Let's blame everyone else who didn't vote the SPD.
Watching Biden kiss billionaire ass was way better than watching Trump's construction of concentration camps and also kiss billionaire ass.
This sentiment has never made sense because libertarians steal more votes from replublicans than greens do from dems.
Oh dear sweet Jesus are both sides bad? Oh my god both sides bad, someone call Plato's ghost, we have a genius here, holy shit never considered both sides bad before
I love how divisive this is without respect to gerrymandering.
While that sentiment may be the most frustrating, even if every third party voted against Trump, he still would have won. If even 10% of those voters went to Trump, he would have even won the popular vote. Polling suggests that non voters were about evenly split, so a stronger turnout generically may have done nothing.
The result was mostly due to a very boring reason. Inflation was high so whoever in office gets the blame. Similarly Trump lost mainly because COVID sucked, and anyone would have lost (his response did suck, but we saw that there was no such thing as a sufficiently good response).
People like to imagine some big political cause for good or for ill moving the voters, but by and large it's mostly about how comfortable or uncomfortable they are in the moment to vote for or against the status quo of the moment. But those folks are "just voting" while a very loud minority talks up their "superior" choice to not vote for a lamestream candidate. They speak loudly, but they didn't have enough votes this time to make a difference. They did in 2000 (technically Gore did have the votes when the data was in, but third party would have made it a decisive Gore victory).
But how can I blame socialist for the failure of society where 50% decide to vote for a convict rapist
Y'all are never making it out of the shit you're in if this is how you're thinking. Neither the republicans nor the democrats represent the interests of the working class. You're just pissed now that the fascism your country has been spreading across the world for decades both under the democrats and under the republicans is coming home to hatch now.
Ranked choice voting and money out of politics are much more important than this dualistic psychological warfare. Republicans lose votes to third parties, too. Don't play their game. Vote blue if you want, but also extend love to your "deplorable" neighbor. Our division is a much stronger force for control than who is signing oligarchical legislation.
As a resident of a state where Democrats are going to win, regardless of what I do, a state whose tiny insignificant number of electoral votes don't matter anyway, fuck you.
And this post is an example of a poster who voted for the party complicit in creating the current situation expressing their feeling of moral superiority.
Voting democrat is voting for a longer fuse. Problem is the longer the fuse the bigger the bomb. Or you do what you actually need to do to fix this situation. Do what you should have done decades ago which is not vote democrat.
Please explain to me how the third party vote would have swayed the election if everyone chose D instead.
People who focus on just one sole issue and ignore the full consequences and the reality of the say they do have deserve about as much democracy as MAGA. But don't worry, you no longer will have any say at all.
Can someone please tell me a communist country that doesn’t strip citizens of their rights?
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