Ugh, I wish this guy wasn't so problematic. I really did enjoy his off hand type of humor.
I am not sure who this guy is, or why we aren't more open to separating the work from the artist; seems to be a kind of ad hominem. If you don't want to give them money for the work you can still buy second hand or just pirate.
why we aren’t more open to separating the work from the artist
Because we shouldn't?
We shouldn't support pieces of shit. Not with our eyes. Not with our ears. Not with our dollars or our attention. Its not like there aren't hundreds of thousands of other hilarious people who aren't pieces of shit. Its not like we don't have literally PLENTY of other options.
That is kind of a weak argument. I think lovecraft's work is a decent read, and he is influential and referenced. Still, I am not saying we should adopt his work view. JK Rowing is similar. Her books got lots of kids interested in reading and there is a good message about who you grow up to be. Again, not saying we should adopt her world views. You can pirate their works or find them second hand.
While I think that there are some valid death of the author arguments, it falls apart for me when a content creator turns themselves into a brand. If their opinions are a part of their online presence, then their opinions are part of their brand. There is no separation and I will not listen to someone talk out of both sides of their mouth.
Genuinely think lovecraft is more redeemable than rowling.
Lovecraft's work was more connected to his bigotry, but it was horror; the fundamental theme was a display of his weakness and how he sucked. It makes no claim to virtue, and is onevof the best analyses of the mind of a xenophobe that you can read today; metaphorical as it may be.
Rowling spoke to children, made claims to virtue, and couched her most vile shit in the twee and the benign, turning virulently evil herself as the series went on.
Edit: which is to say: you shoukd read lovecraft because he was such a piece of shit.
Rowling literally uses her Harry Potter profits to fund her TERF agenda. So there is no separating the art from the artist there. The art directly is part of the hate.
There are lots and lots of other great childrens books which will be equally capable of getting children interested in books, but their parents are too lazy and stupid to learn about them.
She's almost a billionaire, nothing will stop her from having the money for her bs anymore. Money keeps shitting out more money. That's not to say that boycotting hp will do nothing, but the impact really is minimal.
Her getting money from it is also not entirely related to seperating the art from the artist, as there are plenty of ways to just not give her money and still interact with the art. I don't really think the books are all that great (and also have some shit messages in their own right) but it's still undeniable that they got a lot of kids into reading and are clearly very good at captivating young readers.
His name is/was JonTron IIRC.
I stop being able to separate the art from the artist when they start using their platform to push their views. Which is what he did. If you are famous and you never mention your ideology then more power to you but when you go on a tirade during an interview about something else you lose that separation.
See also: Michael Richards
First time I am hearing about this guy, but
I stop being able to separate the art from the artist when they start using their platform to push their views.
fair enough.
Hey internet: this right here ^ is how you respond when you encounter new information after a disagreement. It's totally okay to admit not having known something before. You don't have to double-down on your ignorance or go off at some stranger.
We're all just people, learning all the time. It's cool.
Anyway, thanks for responding like a reasonable person, OP.
Thanks, I try
in death, a youtube celebrity is given a name 
Ages ago, politics was a matter of “Well, we both want to improve the country, but it seems we disagree on the approach.”
Now, politics is “I would like to improve the country” vs “I would like OVER HALF THE COUNTRY TO GET FUCKED IN THE ASS because they’re all LEECHES AND FILTHY RATS. Just look at these studies that are all blatantly hallucinated lies I made up.”
I long for the old conversation.
“Well, we both want to improve the country”
Did they though?
One of the most consistent features of conservative “politics” is their ability to get lots of ordinary people to vote against their own interests.
Sure it was nice when the rank and file weren’t cheering on the New American Gestapo (good band name?) but the money > humans goals behind the policies were the same. The bigotry and tribalism and other-ing have always been tools in their propaganda machine. We’re witnessing those chickens coming home to roost.
Who could have known it would be a bad idea to systematically poison american culture so that a handful of old white dudes could hang on to the dream of dying as billionaires instead of pleb-ass run of the mill multimillionaires?
I think this is just a difference on the form, and not on the content.
When over half of the country is actually ducked in the ass because of either poor working conditions, womens absence of right, slavery, etc., saying "I don't think we should change anything" seems like a calm way to say "we disagree on how to improve the country" when really it's just saying "i want people to get fucked". Betterment, even little, of life for those people makes assholes say out loud the hate they could hide in the statu quo previously.
Isn't this johntron? He came up with some white suprematist arguments a while ago. But seeing how we have mechahitler AI I actually think it was a decent time to be online.
Other than the Destiny debate which he has sense apologized for saying he was stupid and out of his depth, was there something else he did?
(other than beat Suzy and leave game grumps or whatever the people over at conspiracy grumps used to say /j lmao)
There is a lot of overt racism.
He never actually apologized. He released a video saying he expressed himself poorly or whatever, then took it down anyway. He never said all the racist points he made were wrong.
My boss once said, in front of all staff that it's proven that more money doesn't make people happy, and I suggested that we swap out paychecks. She laughed, nobody else did.
I'd rather cry in a Rolls Royce than at the bus stop
Really says more about the disdain for western public transportation.
I'll take coach seats on the Shinkansen over the driver's seat of a Ferrari.
Brother, I think being rolled down the street by a sumo wrestler is a better experience than most public transport around here
Worse ways to get rolled.
Well I'd take the destinations on the Shinkansen for wherever I'm going now...
It may not buy happiness, but it sure as hell removes a lot of obstacles to happiness!
I love this quote from Mr. Robot (paraphrase):
I don't care about money, as long as it's enough to live.
It really doesn't. But it does buy a bunch of prerequesites.
99% of my problems can be resolved by money. So there's that
No, but having enough money buys financial security to do what you want.
Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil today
But if you ask for a rise
It's no surprise
that they're giving none away
Money may not buy happiness, but it can buy a jetski, and have you ever seen someone look sad on a jetski?
I speak from personal experience. It's impossible to be sad on a (working) jet ski.
What if it's working, but isn't in water so it isn't going anywhere
Then you just make the vroom vroom noises and pretend like you're zooming around.
The more money they have, the less happy they are. They’re addicted to making money, to watching the line go up and to the right. They’re addicted to trying to destroy the competition and buy them out, to consolidate more and more and more.
They are right when they say that wealth isn’t the key to happiness. They’re riding the bull and they don’t know how to get off.
They’re addicted to trying to destroy the competition and buy them out
And that's how they get evil.
I feel like if every billionaire in the world donated even 1% of their wealth, the world would be a much better place
update: my bored insomniac arse decided to do a little maths
assuming the bare minimum that each billionate has £1,000,000,000 each, 1% of 1 billion is 10 million. there's 3,028 billionares worldwide so if each of them donated 1% (10,000,000 x 3,028) that'd be a WHOPPING £30,280,000,000 and that's a very conservative estimate
Isn't this a picture of the guy who owned Pollen, the company that scammed hundreds of millions of pounds from customers and paid for a dream wedding abroad costing millions while bouncing cheques to his staff?
No this is the youtuber JonTron
I thought it was weird, thanks
Yup, they do look similar so I see why you got them mixed up
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