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Because most of their big money donors are also on the list.
Bill Clinton.
Yeah, but that wouldn't be news. Same as Trump and Prince Andrew being on it aren't news. I'm guessing some really popular people are on there. People like Bernie Sanders (I'm NOT saying he's on there but you get my gist).
You're right, it's not news so much as that the Clintons come from an era of politics where merely embarrassing things are still kept on the down-low. Especially considering the continued influence of 1990's Clinton-era politicking on the Democratic party. Even Obama couldn't really break that hold, as seen by Hillary being given the Secretary of State position during Obama's tenure and then running and losing after Obama. There was actually a lot of evidence at the time that the DNC was basically broke and was living off of the generosity of the Clinton foundation. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, chair of the DNC from 2011 to 2016, was literally in Hillary Clinton's pocket. While Bill Clinton himself is not particularly important as a figure these days, the family influence continues to extend deep into nearly every facet of the Democratic party, and as such, Democrats are unlikely to bite the hands that feed them so to speak.
Its rumored that Epstein was working with Israeli Intelligence so they probably have big files on many prominent Democrats and Republicans which is why everybody talks a big game about releasing the client list (if it exists) but never follows through. Its stuff like this that exposes the real game that both these parties are working together against the American people. The party always comes first.
I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite conspiracy on the Citadel.
The obvious is that Dems are on the list too. Which is undoubtedly true. Even more importantly than that donors. But the fact that Merrick Garland was involved and he'd never to anything to make Trump look bad ever should also be remembered.
Because Democratic leadership is aware that Republicans aren't their actual enemies, and a ton of them are also on the list.
The democrats are aware that their names are on the list and they’re the only ones that will be held accountable for it. The republicans will hold witch burnings while completely ignoring their own member’s names on the list.
will be held accountable for it
sweet summer child
because includes alot of politicians, donors, and other world leaders, movie executives. just like the panama papers got swept under the carpet, it including tons of rich people.
Gates, musk, trump, hawkings, diddy,,,etc.
Subsequent to the Panama Papers, there were arrests and financial seizures in many of the named countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers?wprov=sfti1#Recovered_money
Let's not forget the assassination of one of the reporters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia#Death
Because Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin?
As non-American, the reason I think that Democrats didn't release the list was that not only were some Democrats and their donors on it, they knew that they would be crucified by Republicans and Americans for it. The also knew that at the same time all the Republicans and their donors on the list would be let off because laws, morality, ethics are only ever to be used to oppress the poor and non-whites or to combat Democratic politicians. Do you think Trump would ever have made it to President as a Democrat? There is a reason he switched to become a Republican.
What would they have had to gain? Fox news would just pivot around it and move on. Trump was already a convicted rapist, tons of catholic priests are forgiven among their community for child rape, so it's not hard to imagine Trump walking away clean from the whole thing.
Meanwhile, dems probably had a couple big donors to lose and possibly a former president. Sounds like a bad trade when the whole party's MO is to keep their hands clean and never play dirty.
Protecting child rapists is one of the dirtiest play you can play.
Releasing the list, prosecuting the rapists and making this the topic in all interviews going forward to expose every last one of them as well as possible ties to Israeli intelligence, that would be the clean play.
Those you want to convince with this would view it as a political stunt fabricated by the left or the Biden Crime Family or whatever, and all it would do is reinforce the idea that any evidence brought forward is irrelevant.
If they had enough evidence to prosecute, that's fine. Sending rapists to prison is obviously worthwhile. But making a political point of it wouldn't actually gain anything for anyone.
That's horribly pragmatic but I have to believe there would be at least a couple of politicians who have the most basic of morals that would release it if they got their hands on the info
No idea, but I read the title like it was the setup to a joke.
The Aristocrats!
Maybe the idea that Epstein was at the head of a global network of paedophiles, involved with trafficking young girls and boys for the likes of Trump, Clinton and Gates is fanciful.
Impossible? No. Improbable? Yes.
The idea that this is all some Mossad psi-op to influence US politics is also bonkers and predictably falls into classic anti-semitic tropes.
Is it tittilating and fun to speculate about with people online? Sure. Does social and traditional media love a good juicy story like this and will continue to give it play and play? Absolutely.
I am wondering now. How could such a list even be proven real or couldn't trump just fake one?
Because anyone (everyone) on that list is going to immediately sue for defamation etc, and if they don't have evidence or they messed up the chain of custody on that evidence, it'll be an issue. They also will be able to look at all the evidence through discovery and see if it's tampered with. So that's why they can't release even 1 name, because they are protecting Trump
But still then, how would all this evidence even look like? Some piece of papers and flight logs? Even if they released all the real evidence I suspect it won't hold up against all the people on the list discrediting it.
Epstein took extensive video footage of every single thing that happened in his houses. That's why Pam Bondi said it was "child porn." They have the entire act on footage. Blackmail isn't very effective otherwise.
I think manufacturing the complex evidence needed here wouldn’t be possible.
I had a similar thought. Why didn’t they just release democrat names? And I think it’s because while they know they can claim nothing exists (What they are doing now, after having access), if they try to cherry-pick info and claim that’s all that exists, someone with knowledge in the matter will be able to leak/prove they are cherry picking.
It’s also very tempting to buy into the idea that if the list is as long and vast as some suggest, it will undermine trust in a very real way that goes beyond MAGA/Qanon fringe conspiracy circles. I could see the Trump admin, as stupid and bumbling as they are, recognizing the fire they are playing with.
I hate how kooky that all sounds. What a fucked up situation.
guilty by association.
Your premise is wrong. The Democrats never had the list, and the Republicans don't have it now. The people who actually have that list, and those documents, have names. Use those names. Don't trick yourself into believing that some random congressperson has access or authority.
What is "the list"? How do we know the government even has "the list"?
Probably a lot of people on both sides.
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