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submitted 2 years ago by ryuko@lemmy.ml to c/lgbtq_plus@beehaw.org

"Free speech absolutist"

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[-] PascalSausage@beehaw.org 38 points 2 years ago

Elon is a free speech absolutist, as long as you’re hurting other people and not him.

[-] raccoona_nongrata@beehaw.org 21 points 2 years ago

It's funny, in this twitter drama he drummed up, he refers to Twitter's conduct guidelines about harassment as the reason that describing cis people as cis is a violation, guidelines which he himself edited to remove the line about misgendering and deadnaming trans people in a targeted way.

He's a massive hypocrite.

[-] PascalSausage@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

Is it really hypocritical if he designed it that way on purpose? It’s very clear at this point that he’s fine with trans people being harassed on Twitter and actually wants more of it.

[-] raccoona_nongrata@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

It's hypocritical in so far that there are transphobes crying about being called cis on twitter and Musk is "protecting" them using the pretense that referring to people in a way that they don't want to be referred to is harassment and a breach of conduct. However it's perfectly fine to misgender and harass trans people.

Obviously he's created this environment intentionally, but it's still hypocrisy for him to pretend he has some commitment to preventing harassment.

[-] ChaseGlitter@waveform.social 2 points 2 years ago

I think this is a pretty common approach to "free speech" by people who don't really understand what censorship is, and/or are not capable of empathizing with others. It just never occurs to them that when you claim free speech as a basic right, that means that other people also get to speak. It would be funny if it didn't create so much harm.

[-] bermuda@beehaw.org 29 points 2 years ago

I guess he saw that appealing to the nerd demographic with tesla and spacex wasn't working so he shifted to the "total asshole" demographic. Like seriously, why is it so hard for him to say one nice thing???

[-] TheTrueLinuxDev@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This particular condition, which I've termed "Overdose on Red Pills," reflects a paradigm shift akin to the Qanon/MAGA narrative, rather than the philosophical awakening portrayed in the Matrix film. The initial indications of his transformation were subtle, first evident when he began echoing Qanon ideologies during an interview with Joe Rogan. This was a transformation I foresaw years prior.

His expression of hostile views, coupled with the affirmation he received from his cohorts, established a self-perpetuating cycle. This led to him distancing himself from rational individuals while seeking comfort amongst those affiliated with Qanon/MAGA. Unwittingly, he morphed into an unthinking zealot, becoming part of the aggressive collective consciousness. Currently, his rhetoric aligns with the MAGA narrative on nearly every topic, thereby supplying them with additional ammunition to further their cause. He has, metaphorically, confined himself within the walls of his own cognitive prison.

[-] Fauxreigner@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah, this is a common cycle of transphobic love bombing pulling people further right. Rowling is a pretty similar story.

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

There is a non-trivial overlap between nerds and assholes, unfortunately. Take Gamergate, for instance, or really any fandom when a woman dares to exist and say something. Hell, 'the red pill' is a Matrix reference.

[-] cupcakezealot 22 points 2 years ago

Really at this point you have to ask yourself why are you still on Twitter.

[-] TheCalzoneMan@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

Join Mastodon! It's smaller, but growing. And not owned by anyone, much less a baby in a suit.

[-] Callie@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago

I've mentioned it in private, but it's absolutely messed up that someone can call me a "biological male" and intend to harm me by doing so, but if I call them Cis as a descriptor, I can be banned

[-] UprisingVoltage@feddit.it 12 points 2 years ago

Free speech assolutist

[-] vale_fallacia@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago

really looking forward to the day when we no longer hear about that person.

[-] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't quite understand, if cis is a slur, what should we call people who have the same gender as their birth certificates? Is there an alternative name for it?

[-] PierreKanazawa@fedia.io 4 points 2 years ago

Elon ruined free speech absolutism like everything before

[-] gk99@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

I can understand not wanting to be referred to as CIS, it's hardly like everyone associates good connotations with the prefix considering the high tensions that can come in relevant discussions, but to outright ban it is absurd. To be clear,

Banning use of a word that’s part of our daily vocabulary around the world

it's not part of everyone's daily vocabulary around the world, and that is precisely the problem. I grew up in shithole Oklahoma, and the only time I have ever heard or said the word in-person is when talking with my trans friend, and I literally had to remember what the prefix was last time I was having a discussion involving it. I learned about the word not from someone who was politely explaining to me the difference, but from a very openly hostile person referring to CIS people as "scum" online. That's a really shitty first impression. I get that it's not actually an offensive term, but the feelings I was experiencing when I learned the meaning have sure stuck around and I don't generally enjoy using the term. If, instead, the term was more normalized, it'd just be a normal run-of-the-mill word to me that I wouldn't have a problem associating with.

I feel like banning it and calling it a "slur" is literally only problematic for these sorts of reasons and will lead to continued pointless division of something that should just be a basic descriptor. It's misleading, will associate negative emotions with the word, and will in turn hamper LGBTQ+ acceptance as the phrase is continually thrown around.

tl;dr Musk is a dumb fucking idiot that is going to harm society.

[-] RadioRat@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

RIP chemistry Twitter.

[-] Katrina 1 points 2 years ago

Cis has been around long enough that the person who originally coined it is almost certainly no longer alive.

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