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[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 113 points 2 years ago

I once had a chemistry professor who used to work as a senior drug researcher at a major pharmaceutical company. He often joked about how the company treated the monkeys used for testing far better than the PhDs. If a monkey suffered a negative reaction there was a major investigation. I'm incredibly surprised Musk can be killing monkeys left and right and hasn't been thrown in jail.

[-] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

The difference is that guy was working at a major pharmaceutical research firm with animal advocates and whistle-blowers and accrediting board all over them. Musk's group is new and is still in the fucking around phase. As soon as they have to answer to any outside org, suddenly this will be a huge liability.

[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

We're still in the 'move fast, kill monkeys' phase.

So agile. Much lean.

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[-] tootbrute@lemmy.ca 56 points 2 years ago

I still think we should try it on musk himself. Those monkeys just didnt have moxie

[-] lorkano@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

Considering his recent behavior, I think he already tried it

Who could be controlling the chip?

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[-] DrVortex@lemmy.one 51 points 2 years ago

You are confusing taking a class with actually having ethics. No amount of attending a lecture about ethics will convince you if you do not, as a basic premise agree with the ethical principle that loss of life is a bad thing. And to be very clear, ethical principles are subjective. There is no objectively right or wrong thing as far nature is concerned.

[-] girthero@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Ethics class gives you tools to analyze a problem. Any good class is part of the philosophy department and leans on the classic philosphers approaches to analyze the problem. Many engineers would have no exposure to this otherwise and i think its a good part of any Universities' engineering curriculum.

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

Classes don't solve the problem entirely, but they're a start and without them in this case a company so large and powerful that it has a space program and foreign policy planks is being guided by nothing but the intuition of someone who grew up spending money earned by child slaves and who thinks that scuttling an army's mission in-progress is pacifism

[-] drdabbles@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago

The other 8 died, too. In excruciating pain. One of them vomited to death. These people are barbaric and should face animal cruelty charges.

[-] collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 years ago
[-] drdabbles@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

You're looking at a tweet from well over a year ago. They've killed well over 1500 animals at this point, and I think you might want to look up "neuralink" on literally any news site.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 years ago

And I've also seen that they just had to put them down because that's a requirement when they cannot prove if the animals might be suffering, which is hard to do with brain implants.

Same kind of source.

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[-] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 46 points 2 years ago

Funny story, the only ethics required in my engineering degree was a 2-day unit on our professional code of ethics. We had a 20-question true/false homework on it, and the thing about a professional code of ethics is it's not super intuitive. Most of the class thought they could gut feel their way through it, but you actually had to read the code because the wording was very specific sometimes. When it turned out that everyone failed the homework, the professor let us try again.

Ethics!

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

Business/economics and politics students also need classes in ethics.

[-] quackers 15 points 2 years ago

Yes, but they cant win capitalism if they apply those lessons though.

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[-] torpak@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 2 years ago

No amount of ethics teaching will change the behaviour of a narcisistic psychopath like musk.

[-] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago
[-] Albbi@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago

Wow! Been a while since I've seen a Michael Crichton quote. I think I'll have to do a reread of Jurassic Park now.

[-] aeternum@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago

RIP to the monkeys. They deserved better.

[-] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted 26 points 2 years ago

Please explain how this is a meme.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago

No one knows what a meme is anymore. And idk if mods care.

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 years ago

At least you get to take an ethics class. Mine was just about patents and Therac-25

[-] Dhs92@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago

I mean, we really don't want a repeat of the Therac-25

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Still can't believe it happened the first time.

"Oh let's just reuse the code and forget the hardware breakers on the machine it'll be fine."

Like I have no ethics training but they even had a (human operated) control rod in the first chicago pile who trusts a radiation gun to a SOFTWARE toggle?

[-] qfe0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago

It wasn't collectively known that software was hard to do right at that time. If it always performed as intended it would have made for a less expensive and perfectly safe machine. It's the textbook case in doing software wrong because there wasn't one that happened before it.

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[-] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

I had to take 3 ethics classes for my cybersecurity degree

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

This startrek.website site loads like 15% of the time for me. It's really annoying.

It's been a bit laggy and inconsistent since the instance switched hosts last week. I wonder if that's still it...

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[-] Floey@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago

I personally enjoy ethics as a subject, but has it been shown that studying ethics in uni actually leads to people behaving more ethically? I agree that ethics should be applied to science, but science should also be applied to ethics to determine the effective approach.

[-] spiderjuzce@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 2 years ago

I used to think like that but looking back those classes were pretty fun

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 years ago

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Philosophy should be taught from very early. The hability to think, argue, relate to others and understand others while being capable of express your ideas is extremely important.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago
[-] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately there is no alternative

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[-] Noxar@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Would you like them to test on you instead?

[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 7 points 2 years ago

Yea stopping animal testing sounds great, but animal testing is the backbone of drug and medical breakthroughs. So at least for now that's not possible

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[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago

And there are actual real life goobers dying to get one themselves.

[-] schema@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

It's so incredibly ironic that these are probably the same goobers who talk about microchips in vaccines.

[-] Lt_Cdr_Data@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago

I absolutely would. I'd not line up to be among the first, but controlling devices via a brain interface is an inevitable step of technological evolution.

It will provide such an immense performance boost, that many professions may become unattainable without having one. Possibly within our lifetime.

[-] Rozauhtuno 15 points 2 years ago

Enjoy the unskippable ads in your dreams.

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Dreams? What about when it locks up and plays a virtual 200db 5khz tone for the rest of your life?

[-] Rozauhtuno 9 points 2 years ago

No, that's a feature. To make it stop you need to pay a subscription.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

And he wanted to put those in humans?!?

Correction.. still does

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

This isn't unethical. This is why you use animals.

[-] eltimablo@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Oh man, there's gonna be a lot of angry vegans here soon. Godspeed, sir or madam.

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