I once had a chemistry professor who used to work as a senior drug researcher at a major pharmaceutical company. He often joked about how the company treated the monkeys used for testing far better than the PhDs. If a monkey suffered a negative reaction there was a major investigation. I'm incredibly surprised Musk can be killing monkeys left and right and hasn't been thrown in jail.
The difference is that guy was working at a major pharmaceutical research firm with animal advocates and whistle-blowers and accrediting board all over them. Musk's group is new and is still in the fucking around phase. As soon as they have to answer to any outside org, suddenly this will be a huge liability.
We're still in the 'move fast, kill monkeys' phase.
So agile. Much lean.
I still think we should try it on musk himself. Those monkeys just didnt have moxie
Considering his recent behavior, I think he already tried it
You are confusing taking a class with actually having ethics. No amount of attending a lecture about ethics will convince you if you do not, as a basic premise agree with the ethical principle that loss of life is a bad thing. And to be very clear, ethical principles are subjective. There is no objectively right or wrong thing as far nature is concerned.
Ethics class gives you tools to analyze a problem. Any good class is part of the philosophy department and leans on the classic philosphers approaches to analyze the problem. Many engineers would have no exposure to this otherwise and i think its a good part of any Universities' engineering curriculum.
Classes don't solve the problem entirely, but they're a start and without them in this case a company so large and powerful that it has a space program and foreign policy planks is being guided by nothing but the intuition of someone who grew up spending money earned by child slaves and who thinks that scuttling an army's mission in-progress is pacifism
The other 8 died, too. In excruciating pain. One of them vomited to death. These people are barbaric and should face animal cruelty charges.
Source?
You're looking at a tweet from well over a year ago. They've killed well over 1500 animals at this point, and I think you might want to look up "neuralink" on literally any news site.
And I've also seen that they just had to put them down because that's a requirement when they cannot prove if the animals might be suffering, which is hard to do with brain implants.
Same kind of source.
Funny story, the only ethics required in my engineering degree was a 2-day unit on our professional code of ethics. We had a 20-question true/false homework on it, and the thing about a professional code of ethics is it's not super intuitive. Most of the class thought they could gut feel their way through it, but you actually had to read the code because the wording was very specific sometimes. When it turned out that everyone failed the homework, the professor let us try again.
Ethics!
Business/economics and politics students also need classes in ethics.
Yes, but they cant win capitalism if they apply those lessons though.
No amount of ethics teaching will change the behaviour of a narcisistic psychopath like musk.
Wow! Been a while since I've seen a Michael Crichton quote. I think I'll have to do a reread of Jurassic Park now.
RIP to the monkeys. They deserved better.
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At least you get to take an ethics class. Mine was just about patents and Therac-25
I mean, we really don't want a repeat of the Therac-25
Still can't believe it happened the first time.
"Oh let's just reuse the code and forget the hardware breakers on the machine it'll be fine."
Like I have no ethics training but they even had a (human operated) control rod in the first chicago pile who trusts a radiation gun to a SOFTWARE toggle?
It wasn't collectively known that software was hard to do right at that time. If it always performed as intended it would have made for a less expensive and perfectly safe machine. It's the textbook case in doing software wrong because there wasn't one that happened before it.
I had to take 3 ethics classes for my cybersecurity degree
This startrek.website site loads like 15% of the time for me. It's really annoying.
It's been a bit laggy and inconsistent since the instance switched hosts last week. I wonder if that's still it...
I personally enjoy ethics as a subject, but has it been shown that studying ethics in uni actually leads to people behaving more ethically? I agree that ethics should be applied to science, but science should also be applied to ethics to determine the effective approach.
I used to think like that but looking back those classes were pretty fun
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Philosophy should be taught from very early. The hability to think, argue, relate to others and understand others while being capable of express your ideas is extremely important.
Stop animal testing
Would you like them to test on you instead?
Yea stopping animal testing sounds great, but animal testing is the backbone of drug and medical breakthroughs. So at least for now that's not possible
And there are actual real life goobers dying to get one themselves.
It's so incredibly ironic that these are probably the same goobers who talk about microchips in vaccines.
I absolutely would. I'd not line up to be among the first, but controlling devices via a brain interface is an inevitable step of technological evolution.
It will provide such an immense performance boost, that many professions may become unattainable without having one. Possibly within our lifetime.
Enjoy the unskippable ads in your dreams.
Dreams? What about when it locks up and plays a virtual 200db 5khz tone for the rest of your life?
No, that's a feature. To make it stop you need to pay a subscription.
And he wanted to put those in humans?!?
Correction.. still does
This isn't unethical. This is why you use animals.
Oh man, there's gonna be a lot of angry vegans here soon. Godspeed, sir or madam.
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