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[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 151 points 3 weeks ago

Jesus fucking Christ. The fact that he is getting away with so much bullshit based solely on the fear that he might do something is absolutely infuriating. Like, I get it. I understand that it's a complicated issue and these people caving to him are trying desperately to appease him to save their own countries or themselves. But this man, and whoever is backing him and possibly pulling the strings, is purposefully destroying society for more money and power. So much shit going backwards because less than 1% of the 8 billion of people on the entire fucking planet felt like they didn't have enough.

And at the end of the day, when everyone is done appeasing a madman, what will be left? What kind of world will we create as we bend the knee to the man that wants us all to suffer? If you appease the madman to save yourself, the only thing you will get in return is a life of fear in a madman's world.

[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 63 points 3 weeks ago

At this point, I'm pretty sure they're just using it as an excuse to wreck social services.

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[-] jimjam5@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

He can get fucked by a huge pine cone. He and those that back him are enemies of humanity at this point, willfully choosing to be cruel and sacrificing lives for money and power.

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[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 76 points 3 weeks ago

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. [...] The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50 miles of concrete highway. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people." - Eisenhower

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[-] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 50 points 3 weeks ago

The fuck we are. This sounds like psyop

[-] FundMECFSResearch 6 points 3 weeks ago

Well the UK just cut disability benefits.

France is cutting support for chronically ill people.

The swiss government is planning on removing disability benefits for young people…

[-] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Well Switzerland is hardly doing it to appease NATO "allies". Yeah I know they are sort of allied adjacent.

I am not saying that the countries are not doing these things. But are they doing it to curry favor with TACO Trump?

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[-] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Does it say anywhere in the article what social programs are on the chopping block? I've heard this claim hundreds of times, but so far it's on the basis of "it's got to come from somewhere". What if you build military hospitals, military infrastrtucture and military schools? Wink wink, nudge nudge.

[-] fullsquare@awful.systems 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

it's not listed because this is not what is happening

italy for example put bridge construction in that military budget (as critical infrastructure)

also the subtext was "spend that defense budget in america" and this is not happening either for variety of reasons, so it's partial failure already for them

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

“spend that defense budget in america”

hah, yeah, that part is hilarious. tramp already ruined the f35 program by suggesting that the ones sold to allies would come with degraded specs...why sink funding in something that you can only use with american permission exclusively for their stupid wars?

[-] fullsquare@awful.systems 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

there's a couple of big failures in american defense industry (like shipbuilding) but F35 is not one of them. the alleged killswitch is not likely a thing because first, it could be used by the most probable adversary, and they already shown capability in EW; and second, it's not necessary because it requires constant stream of spare parts and maintenance. as if it's worth it, ask any remaining iranian radar operator for firsthand opinion

some countries switched to euro made jets anyway, but these aren't likely to be doing the job that F35 is cut to do anyway (SEAD)

there's already euro alternative in development, for which americans were explicitly not invited (GCAP, FCAS). there's also the everything else part of military, half of euro countries make now artillery (both tube and rocket) so these can be bought locally too

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes, but israel gets the F35I variant. They are probably independent in software, targetting (and parts?), because israel as the US golden child always gets the juiciest deals. The EU, meanwhile, gets the "leeches, warmongers, pathetic freeloaders" treatment.

[-] fullsquare@awful.systems 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

at minimum brits have source code. couple of eu countries make parts for it as well

[-] hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

russia is gearing towards Europe.

The first stage of the war is sowing discontent.

Read up on Gerasimovs doctrine.

[-] engene@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 weeks ago

Why can’t we just distance ourselves from this? Why must we appease him!? 😡

[-] Goldholz 5 points 3 weeks ago

We dont lol Americans think we are because we increase the military spending. We are also not cutting social spending

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 weeks ago

It's about Russia and it's militarist expansionism, not about Trump.

[-] Goldholz 10 points 3 weeks ago

Its both. But not to appease trump, but to be prepared in case of a standoff

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[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Opinion article. Also they missed many NATO Top nuances, like the whole political game. But yes, NATO members in Europe have been spending more, and more defense is and was needed.

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[-] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Hey European nations; Nice to know about how your sovereignty works.

[-] thejml@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

Don’t bow down to the psychopath! You know he’s going to just pull out of NATO anyway.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 10 points 3 weeks ago

If the US dumps NATO, that’s all the more reason to increase defence funding. Either that or start learning Russian.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'd rather he did that than abandon NATO by surprise the moment russia attacks Narva or the Suwalki gap and give "putin, the gambler" the illusion that he can win against the EU...

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Just read the article, and did it feel as though it was written by 3 different people to anyone else?

But anyway, the EU undeniably needed to spend more on their collective militaries with a hostile, expansionist neighbor on their doorstep. This is literally one of two things that Trump has been right about in his lifetime.

[-] Klear@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

These days you're lucky if there's even one person writing it.

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[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 weeks ago

A lot of countries got lulled into a false sense of security by USA being in the NATO and Russia not outright attacking anyone for a moment and let their defence deteriorate. And now they're paying for it

[-] Goldholz 3 points 3 weeks ago

"Russia not outright attacking anyone"

Oh so we ignore that they also didnt free eastern europe and return their indipendence like they promised? Ignoring Afghistanistan, backing the communist rebels in greece, ignoring all the supression of any protest in their red empire, ehtiopia, blockading berlins supply. Okayyy.

And we arent paying for it because of the USA said so. We are because our politicians finally realise russia never was a peaceful nation and clearly prepares a war to invate the rest of europe

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago

I mean those countries ignored those things. I'm saying they shouldn't have

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

where's all those Europeans that were mocking the Americans on here for the past seven months?

cmon guys! show us how to protest!

pokes with stick

do the thing!

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 6 points 3 weeks ago

Not European, but I hope too Europeans grow a spine, and hold their NATO diplomats accountable today.

Skip the protest, go straight demotion and enlisting antifascists.

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[-] Goldholz 3 points 3 weeks ago

Imagine your population having such a broom up their ass that they think learning about sex will turn their kids into free use sex toys.

Imagine thinking this is to appease the Imigrant Fellan Pedo Fasco President.

Imagine not knowing that this isnt 5% on military but 3.5% on military and 1.5% of set funding for the infrastructure.

Imagine thinking this actually impacts the social system of us. No germany currently isnt cutting down on it because of that but because the Union has always been stupid and has always been fucking over the poor and workers trying to appease the fasco voters of the AfD (it wont work)

Dont need to imagine it, just look in the mirrow :)

Hey, question. How is it going knowing that millions of your people now will die because of the new Tax and health rework because now they have to pay for their own medicine that keeps them alive, but cant afford it?

Its only been 6-7 months since and USA been fuuuck so hard internally and its position on the world stage. 3 years and 5-6 months still to go with this! And that is IF he volunteering gives up his power again.

Is it enought making fun of the USA? I can keep on going:)

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[-] BeBopaLula@piefed.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

I guess the camps for disabled are next on the list. The world is making its choice.

[-] oxysis 3 points 3 weeks ago

No please fuck no

[-] korsystems@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don't even know why my country is still in this cesspool. NATO is nothing more than an American subsidiary that forces others to buy its shit. My country has the atomic bomb, which is the only necessary thing to guarantee our sovereignty in the very long term. No reason to invest 5% of our GDP in additional death machines, especially when our debt is astronomical.

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[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Trump's been committed to ditching NATO & allying with Putin, his sponsor/mentor, for years.

There's even a bill on the table, now, called NATO, about the US ditching NATO.

Chopping social-systems will please, but NOT appease, Trump,

& it won't change his strategic-course, to ditch NATO & piecemeal butcher it, taking Greenland as a means of strangling Canada completely, then waging war against Canada, because Canada stands in his way..

then once Canada's down, destroying the hated woke EU in a pincer between Putin & him,

so that in the end, only Putin, Trump, Millei, Orban, etc, get to be "kings" over the butchered West, & unlimitedly unaccountable..

It isn't a zero-sum-game they're playing: it's a negative-sum-game ( mass-shooting, except through legislations, instead of bullets, killing entire-populations, not mere-individuals ),

& the longer it takes for people to grok that, the greater the percentage of our countries' lives they'll succeed in shedding.

[-] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

No shit Sherlock

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