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[-] DrWorm@piefed.social 81 points 3 weeks ago

Mississippi is always the worst of any statistic

[-] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 39 points 3 weeks ago

Ok, noted: New York is almost on par with civilized regions.

[-] funkajunk@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

That might be skewed as most of their population are in New York City, and more than half of the city doesn't even own a car.

[-] The_v@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

That's pretty much the point of the chart. Better public infrastructure decrease the deaths from cars.

[-] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Or commuting accidents in traffic are rarely fatal.

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[-] huppakee@feddit.nl 21 points 3 weeks ago

Thought it would be interesting to compare with EU, they published an article in 2023 (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?oldid=630784) with the following data. This graph uses a number per 1 million inhabitants so divide by 10 to compare it.

Road accident fatalities, 2023 (number per million inhabitants)

[-] Coelacanth@aggregatet.org 6 points 3 weeks ago

As far as I know Finland has the world's strictest driving licence, so I'm actually surprised to see it posting worse statistics than Sweden here.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Sweden went insane with road security in the nineties (nollvisionen?) so maybe that's why.

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[-] prole 4 points 3 weeks ago

The way this chart is formatted is making me more angry than it should lol

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[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

America is more in the middle of the road when you look at the whole globe, and don’t just select a few counties with lower death rates.

https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-details/GHO/estimated-road-traffic-death-rate-(per-100-000-population)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

Africa is currently the reigning champ for vehicle related deaths.

[-] breecher@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, but that does not make it any better, since the US should be compared to other Western developed countries. That is like people saying that the number of gun deaths in the US isn't that bad because they are worse in Ukraine or Syria, you know, active war zones.

[-] FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

I think it’s fair to compare like with like. Many African countries have poor infrastructure, inadequate enforcement of traffic laws, rapid urbanization, unsafe vehicles, and limited emergency medical services. Its easy for a Western country to look better compared to that, but is it a fair comparison?

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Well, if you're comparing the US south, it might be fitting.

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[-] bier@feddit.nl 11 points 3 weeks ago

The Netherlands has 4.19

The Netherlands is close in size to Maryland, and close in the number of inhabitants as New York. Also half of the traffic is cars and half is bicycles. It's pretty insane how bad Mississippi is.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I tried looking into why Mississippi was so far worse. Mostly just finding people self report texting and driving more there, infrastructure is shitty, enforcement is shitty, DUIs are high they recently just upped the civil fine of texting while driving from $25 to $100.

For fun I looked to see what Mississippi would be like if it was its own country, and do to GDP it was compared to Morocco and Kenya.

Car Deaths per 100,000

Mississippi: 26 Morocco: 17.29 Kenya: 28

Kenya is 4x as dense as Mississippi is though, so still hard to say Mississippi is safer than Kenya. It's just numbers

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[-] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

yes but whole africa is developing nations with ultra bad infrastructure like roads and intersections. You should be comparing USA to peering nations, like western europe or countries of the commonwealth. Unless you admit that USA is also third world shit hole

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 14 points 3 weeks ago

Victoria is that low cos they don’t fuck around when it comes to driving fines. The speed limit means limit, and they’re cracking down hard on drivers using phones.

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[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I remember reading years back that Mississippi is the only state where it's legal for the driver to drink while driving (as long as they keep it below 0.08). Multiple defenders on Reddit said its safe because its still below the legal limit.

Couldnt be related, could it? Nahhh

https://dui.drivinglaws.org/resources/can-a-passenger-drink-alcohol.htm

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know much about Mississippi, but I know that in neighboring Louisiana, there are drive-through daiquiri places.

the fine print of the law says that the open container law is not applicable to containers with frozen alcoholic beverage where the lid is intact and no straw is protruding through the lid.

In most cases, daiquiris adhere to the “tape rule.” Most daiquiri shops will put a piece of tape over the straw hold on the lid. If this tape is removed or broken then the drink is considered an open container.

So a piece of tape counts as a "seal." They're not even trying.

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Ah yes, a piece of tape. Tape can definitely not be lifted and replaced, right?

I took a quick looks and seems like Mississippi has many drive through daiquiris bars also.

https://m.yelp.com/search?cflt=drivethrubars&find_loc=Gulfport%2C+MS

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[-] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

getting a drivers license in mississippi is basically show up to the DMV, suck a cock and drive home or what?

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Mississippi has drive-through combo shops: liquor store / DMV / KFC.

Saves time on your way to and home from church.

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

21 Mississippi, 22 Mississippi...

Count van Count

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

The fact that California, a state with THIRTEEN TIMES MORE PEOPLE than Mississippi, has less than half the number of traffic fatalities is mind blowing. Mississippi is just 30% of the landmass that California represents, and yet it gets more than double the amount of traffic fatalities.

Looking at the left side of the graph, the trend is easily recognizable. Drunk angry and repressed, poverty stricken republicans will drive drunk like it's the right to bear arms. The further right you go, the more democratic the state.

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago

just to be clear, this is per capita. not actual totals.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

But they have more people per capita! Because they're so much bigger, see?

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[-] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 weeks ago

Took a closer look to see if I was surprised by any correlation about poverty, and browsed away with the belief that the south is still a shithole... which might still correlate with poverty. I think kansas/oregon is the first entry that wouldn't be 'south.'

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Drinkin' beers an' drivin' yer trukk is a highly traditional pastime in the US deep south. Typically done in the middle of the night, in my experience, for the maximum probability of contacting the local wildlife or making friends at high speed with a tree.

[-] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 7 points 3 weeks ago

You can always count on Mississippi! I'm surprised Texas isn't higher, we drive like maniacs.

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

New Jersey is too low. Serious doubts about the validity of this table.

[-] match@pawb.social 8 points 3 weeks ago

It's comparing against total population, not driving population, so any amount of mass transit will greatly reduce this number

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 7 points 3 weeks ago

Probably not. The state has been implementing Vision Zero as a statewide program along with several cities.

The two major highways have lower than average accidents due to design.

One of the state's signature traffic configurations, the Jersey Jughandle, eliminates left turn movements on older highways, a major source of accidents.

[-] Magister@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Not surprised by SC, as a Canadian I had one accident in 40 years of driving, it was in SC, caused by a 17yo girl driving an old suburban or something.

[-] goldenquetzal@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I'd like to see the % of trucks vs cars for each location.

[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

How you know this is good data

  1. No sources. Just a chart.
  2. Randomly compares some places in North American to some places in Australia.
[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Where are Idaho, Wyoming and Montana?

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There are only 36 states represented here by my count. It says "major" states, whatever that means. But 14 in total are missing either because of their smaller populations, or because their fatality rate is low enough that they would fall off the right hand side of the chart and thus wouldn't fit the "America Drivers Bad" narrative quietly being implied, here.

Edit: I looked up the numbers for my state in the same year (and no, I'm not telling the public which one). We would be at 1.2 on this chart if my math is correct, which is well below even the shortest bar for Victoria, there.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

I decided to look and found that this metric is almost always measured by vehicle distance travelled rather than by population. Basically the graph OP shared is useless and meant to support a narrative, as you stated.

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[-] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

The south is killing it!

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Oh come on. I don’t think there’s another country on the planet as car-dependent as the US. We have more cars, we drive far, far more than these countries, so of course there will be more deaths. Try it per person/mile driven and I bet the numbers shift quite a bit and it won’t be so dramatic, but the US will still come out “ahead.” On average I’d also bet the US has far higher average travel speed as well generating a higher possibility of fatal accidents.

Edit: Here. Sort by billion km driven. US is #8.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

Still high, but in context the OP doesn’t offer.

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

USA is definitely the most car-brained nation, but I don't think that miles-travelled alone stacks up when comparing states.

As an example for 2022 data from FHWA it shows that Mississippians drove 17,699 miles average, while Minnesotans drove more, at 17,887 miles. Yet Mississippi has more than triple the road fatalities.

Even if you take Mississippi as an outlier, many other states are well over double Minnesota, with similar miles-driven: South Carolina, New Mexico, Oklahoma.

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[-] dastechniker@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

SOUTH CAROLINA #2!!!! 🥳🥳🎉🎊🎉🎉🎊🍻🥳🎉🎉🪅

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