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Microsoft EVP Yusuf Mehdi said in a blog post last week that Windows powers over a billion active devices globally. This might sound like a healthy number, but according to ZDNET, the Microsoft annual report for 2022 said that more than 1.4 billion devices were running Windows 10 or 11. Given that these documents contain material information and have allegedly been pored over by the tech giant’s lawyers, we can safely assume that Windows’ user base has been quietly shrinking in the past three years, shedding around 400 million users.

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[-] aliser@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

switched to Linux and don't regret it. fuck copilot, laggy ass UI, terabyte of ram usage, forced updates and any other bullshit they can come up with.

[-] fenrasulfr@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

As much as I want to joke that it is the year of the Linux desktop, I think it is mostly because the younger you are the less likely you are to have a pc (so Windows, Mac, Linux and BSD for the dozens of you).

As far as I can see most of the time people use their phone for everything and only touch a pc for work or if they have a hobby that requires the use of a pc (gaming, digital art, music, programming, etc...).

[-] VeloRama@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago

Win 11 got so bad over the last years that Linux is the better option now.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 123 points 3 days ago

Everyone talking about how it's because of Windows 11 or their greed driving people away, etc. But they're ignoring the big one:

People don't need as many computers these days. You don't have a lot of households with a laptop for every member of the family because smartphones and tablets have replaced the PC for many people for media consumption and basic tasks.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah this happened in Japan way earlier. Japan got mobile internet much sooner than the rest of the world it was called i-mode. Which was launched in 1999. The home computer boom never happened there like it did in the West. Since everyone just uses their mobile phone to go in the internet and Japanese PCs were expensive. And doing work after hours at home wasn’t a thing since you do that at the office where your boss can see you putting in the work. The only PCs that sold reasonably well were VAIOs since those were relatively compact.

It’s also why computer literacy is very low in Japan, ask anyone who taught in Japan and they will tell you most Japanese high school students don’t know how to use a computer. Like the problems we are seeing now in the West with computer literacy among students they had for decades already.

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think you're right on this. People aren't moving away from MS because of their obnoxious behaviour. They're moving to alternate form factors and dealing with Apple's and Google's obnoxious behaviour instead. People are willing to put up with a metric ton of bullshit so they don't have to actually do anything for themselves.

[-] BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Not to mention google has fought to replace real PCs in grade school computer courses with chromebooks, which are glorified tablets. Recent gens simply aren't as familiar with proper computers as phones and tablets.

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[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

I keep having to remind people around me that phones are the primary computing device for an ever increasing percentage of the population.

Lemmy wants to rail on Windows 11 AND they talk shit about your average person not understanding filesystems.

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[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 13 points 3 days ago

Exactly. My wife hasn't used an actual computer more than a handful of times in the last several years. She does EVERYTHING on her smartphone.

I have never owned a laptop, because my desktop unit is where I do most of my business stuff, and when I'm away from that, my smartphone is good enough.

Of course, the most important thing isn't that we account for two less computers than a few years ago, but the smartphones that we have replaced laptops with, run Android. So that's actually a net loss of 4 MS products.

And after all these years, Windows products still make me frustrated and infuriated. You'd think they would have honed it to a perfect product by now, but every few years they completely reconfigure the UI, and make us have to navigate a whole new, buggy system.

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[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 78 points 4 days ago

We're in the process of moving to Linux in our company, entirely because of how aggressively awful Windows 11 is. We'd have been perfectly happy staying on Windows 10 forever, but last week our head of development woke up to discover that Windows 10 had spontaneously chosen to "upgrade" itself during the night without him agreeing to it.

[-] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 27 points 3 days ago

Wish you success in the migration

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[-] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 61 points 3 days ago

The search function has never been the same since vista. I'm not doing a web search from the search bar. I am specifically searching for files on my computer. F-off. And now I'm constantly asked to save to some cloud I don't give a shit about.

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[-] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 179 points 4 days ago

If this calculation proves true, one would think losing close to 1/3 of its customers would cause M$ to rethink some of its business policies/plans...

Such as forcing folks to retire perfectly good hardware and buy new if they wish to run Windoze11.

But then again, it's M$... 🤷‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 90 points 4 days ago

1/3 of its Windows customers, not of all of its customers. I bet they still make plenty of money with Azure and Office 365.

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[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

now they try to backtrack by giving another year of w10 updates if the user:

  1. logs in with the microsoft account
  2. enables backup to onedrive (presumably filling it so they can nag all the time "hey buy our cloud subscription")
  3. uses bing as default
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[-] secretlyaddictedtolinux2@lemmy.world 96 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Hey, I have an idea that will help Microsoft:

why not add even more AI that logs everything and then reports it to the government through additional telemetry?

then they could even require the next edition to include a dedicated advertising GPU to take those logs and create tailored ads on the wallpaper as well as occasionally parse the logs and generate summaries for safety purposes!

that will bring the customers back and boost short-term profits too!

[-] Pirate@feddit.org 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You mother fucker... You're hired.

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[-] Sillyglow@lemmy.ca 44 points 3 days ago

Forcing people to buy a new computer for nothing more than a security chip on the motherboard will do that

[-] NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 days ago

They also had pretty strict CPU requirements. Mostly only 8th gen and newer, or a ryzen, would be required.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 days ago

What a well earned drop. They keep forcing their bullshit on us, of course we're interested in other OS's as a result.

I do use windows for most things, but my servers will never run anything but Linux at this point.

[-] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Funny thing. Back in the day, and possibly today, all windows Hotmail/Livemail servers were Linux.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 47 points 4 days ago

good. fuck. microsoft.

they had the choice of not being fucking awful and they had no reason to. im glad its crumbling for them even if wayyy too late.

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[-] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 44 points 4 days ago

Just want to say, Google Docs is NOT free. Just because you don't send them money doesn't mean you aren't paying.

[-] hietsu@sopuli.xyz 33 points 4 days ago

What is free though is LibreOffice, or some Nextcloud document addons (to a degree) if ”cloud” is the thing.

[-] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 50 points 4 days ago

This aligns with statcounter data here: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202505

Windows market share on desktop has been slowly but steadily declining. From 95+% in 2009, to almost 70% today. In the same time period Linux went up from 0.6% to 4%, which is not bad.

[-] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

It can also be noted that the trend over time for the "unknown" category (which stands for 8 % today) follows the same trend as Linux. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Linux is over-represented in the "unknown" category, and may actually be closer to 5-7 %.

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

Just pure greed and giving users less and less control of an OS will push people away. It did for me outside of work. I don't have any reason to touch Windows that often.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 68 points 4 days ago

It sounds like a mixture of Chromebooks, and people simply not owning a traditional computer.

Either way, it seems to be mostly Google that's winning here.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 days ago

These 2023 stats have Chromebook sales at only ~25M units globally, so this is probably the second scenarion, people decommissioning Windows computers and using the phone and/or tablet instead. https://www.canalys.com/newsroom/global-tablet-market-share-Q2-2023

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 43 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

My new laptop came with Windows 11, but that’s gone now. Steamdeck must be helping with these figures too. Good work everyone.

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[-] WhyYesZoidberg@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Enshittification will do that, yep

[-] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago

It's Linux for me but I also have to assume tablet culture plays a role too.

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[-] 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 1 points 2 days ago

Lots of valid points here, but then I wouldn't imagine a community like this actually liking Windows and/or Micro$oft. But here in the UK Mac usage is miniscule especially at work where my client base is, and is declining not increasing. I'd say that more than the OS the AI hype train is way worse for dropping numbers than the OS. Businesses here are using AI and just firing employees left right and centre. Every week a client says they have either fired a whole department and replaced them with using AI or outsourced the department to somewhere that uses AI to get the job done. If it continues at this rate the UK will have a massive unemployment issue in a few years where nobody, and I mean nobody works with computers like they used to.

[-] XiozTzu@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago

They don’t care they have Azure now.

[-] Octavio@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

I haven’t had windows for 5 or 6 years when I switched to Mac. But earlier this year I bought a cheap Windows 11 machine because Windows was required for a contract I thought I was going to get (but didn’t). I was going to return it but thought meh it might be nice to have a personal laptop I can play around with. But I was unimpressed with Windows 11 so much that it mostly gathers dust now.

I’m thinking this is the perfect opportunity to take the plunge into Linux. Has anyone on here used Linux and have any advice?

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[-] network_switch@lemmy.ml 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Mobile and I imagine Google Docs really did a number on Windows necessity. In my experience, large companies and government rely on Windows and O365, smaller organizations use Google Docs. Even universities I've seen start with classrooms a decade ago using Google Docs and hangouts to eventually using Google Suite or whatever its called these days for student/faculty email

At least word documents saved as PDF and shared is way more common today than a decade ago. A decade ago I mainly remember seeing nothing but Excel and SPSS in classes, now I see professors showing how to do stuff in Google Sheets. For a long time computer science and math professors have been geeky and idealistic so you'd regularly see Libre/OpenOffice used in lectures

Another is Blender. In like 2008 ~2.49 Blender, professionals would scoff. A decade later Blender 2.8 releases and by today I hear way less vitriol and more opensess as another tool in the toolbox or recognition as great for at least learning or professional use for smaller teams. Flow was a successful movie made with it

Davinci Resolve is getting better and a lot more mainstream today than a decade ago. And stuff like Kdenlive is more powerful than the vast majority of people need. People were doing great stuff a decade+ ago with iMovie and basic Windows Movie Maker

Video games are a lot easier now because of Valve with Linux

Mobile, adults used to have laptop that pretty much excited to login to their credit cards and pay them, use TurboxTax, print out MapQuest directions, etc. Phones have made a laptop redundant I think for most people now. Work provides one if needed. TV for movies and phone for everything else

To me there's nothing Microsoft can do to stem the decline of Windows. Mobile first is standard now. Microsoft has no presence in smart TVs because they failed with Windows Mobile and Xbox hardware is on life support and they never made the stripped down Xbox Windows available for TV makers anyways. The loss towards mobile will continue.

Then there's national security concerns for countries around the world to be reliant on American software and hardware. Diversification of operating system has picked up heavily. It started like 20 years ago but it didn't seem to really pick up until the Huawei sanctions and driving Huawei to their own OS and Chinese government to invest even more into domestic Linux distro a. Then the recent American trade wars renewing interest in European countries in Linux and LibreOffice. My understanding has been that Linux had had strong adoption in India for some time now

Desktop Linux in the US, I say just keep focusing on prosumer/professional users. Software developers and other IT professionals are already Linux heavy. Some commercial software is available like Maya and Davinci Resolve. Krita and Blender are great. Kdenlive is good. Seems like GIMP and Inkscape development may be picking up momentum. Darktable is great. Valve keep focusing on SteamOS and community distros keep supporting more handhelds making every year easier and easier for gaming. Steam Deck 2 is hopefully a way more available in retail than the first deck. First product work out the kinks and prove viability. Second product and possibly AMD, Nvidia, Qualcomm, etc are way more interested in low power gaming than before as well as first class Linux support

Outside of the US, I feel like Trump both term one and now term two has really given Linux and open source software a global boost in appeal.

[-] MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago

Technically, MSFT can create Windows versions for TVs, smartphones, and smartwatches. Because they've made Windows development more modular, they're not developing it because it won't generate significant profits or revenue.

That's until OpenAI announces an AI-powered device, and if it ends up being a mainstream consumer success, we'll see many companies creating something similar, adding to the integration of it into their ecosystems.

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[-] sibachian@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 days ago

windows dying doesn't help. they are on a shopping spree buying every AAA game that tencent haven't already bought.

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[-] DetectiveNo64@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago

I'll be joining soon enough, going to dual boot with Linux. Only keeping windows for games that won't work on Linux.

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