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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world

I see a lot of people complaining that the Fairphone 6 doesn't have an Aux jack.

Just use an adapter cable.

A 3.5mm Aux jack takes up a significant amount of space just to connect a few wires that could be connected through USB-C anyway, that space could be used for a bigger battery.

Even if there was a good enough reason to keep Aux it should be 2.5mm Aux and not the usual 3.5 as it does exactly the same thing but uses less space

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[-] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 85 points 4 months ago

Well, that's definitely an unpopular opinion.

For me, there are two reasons losing the aux port sucks. First, it means I have to pay extra for functionality I want. It's not like the phone is cheaper without the aux port so it's just more money out of pocket for me. Second, it means I have to keep track of a dongle. Something I'd be using nearly everyday.

The funny thing about battery size; they could make the phone 1mm thicker and you'd get way more battery capacity from that than removing an aux port.

Also, wireless sucks dick. May as well give my own unpopular opinion.

[-] tehmics@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I used to be a big fan of rhythm games on android, but the loss of the headphone jack has completely killed it for me. Bluetooth latency is still like 200ms, it's insane. I can't stand to even watch video with it

You can have wired USB C headphones with no latency.

Also any good headphones should compensate by delaying the video a bit. At least on iOS with Airpods the audio and video are almost perfectly synced. Same with any other bluetooth headphones I've used. I did have a REALLY old BT speaker with like a 500ms delay and that was very noticeable. But that speaker is over 10 years old and cost $20.

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 25 points 4 months ago

Also any good headphones should compensate by delaying the video a bit

Video yes, but that doesn't work with games. New Bluetooth devices are a lot better than older ones when it comes to latency, especially Bluetooth 5 devices I've noticed, but they're still not very good. Wired or dongle-based wireless still have way, way better latency

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[-] FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 4 months ago

I disagree, truly unpopular well done.

[-] GuyFi@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

But why remove it? Having the option is more convenient then having an adapter, reduces e-waste and you never have to play the "Where the hell did I leave the dongle?" game ever again! 2.5mm sounds great in theory but the vast majority of stuff you'd listen to music on uses 3.5mm.

Solid unpopular opinion.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 21 points 4 months ago

reduces e-waste

This is technically becoming less and less true as time goes on. Keeping the 3.5mm port only reduces e-waste for buyers who already own 3.5mm accessories. Fewer and fewer of today's younger generations own any 3.5mm devices at all, as more and more devices are unifying toward USB-C. In fact, fewer and fewer people today own any type of wired headphones.

The e-waste is now coming from the older, holdout consumers who are sticking to their 3.5mm accessories, as they're the ones requiring extra dongles to keep their obsolesced technology functional.

[-] Zorsith 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And the non-3.5mm audio equipment is, itself, also e-waste with non replaceable batteries. It's also generally lower quality than analog.

[-] kipo@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Exactly. The real e-waste is the millions of wireless headphones going into landfills each year when the non-replaceable batteries die.

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[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 months ago

Lmfao. The audiophile community would burn you at the stake.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 16 points 4 months ago

I'm used to catching flac from those guys. ;)

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[-] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 39 points 4 months ago

Not enough room for a 3.5mm audio port, but we absolutely must have a 50MP dual camera plus TOF sensor!

[-] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 9 points 4 months ago

It's more that it's redundant and takes up a lot of space, you can just use USB-C

[-] kayazere@feddit.nl 13 points 4 months ago

Yeah just remove the camera and connect an external camera to the USB-C port.

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[-] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

Show me an affordable dongle that supports full speed passthrough charging and clean audio simultaneously. Then, I'll agree on redundancy.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

Fuck you, well done.

[-] sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 4 months ago

Extremely misinformed post. Upvoted.

[-] noxypaws@pawb.social 26 points 4 months ago

Counterpoint:

External DACs on multiple recent generations of Pixel devices frequently experience severe distortion and Google seems to not give a shit about fixing that.

I literally cannot use wired headphones or speakers with my phone even with relatively high end equipment without horrific audio glitches.

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2.5mm plugs suck ass. My first smart phone had one and I HATED it. It's so tiny, fragile, and I DETEST working with it.

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[-] Coolkat@slrpnk.net 23 points 4 months ago

On top of all other issues, those fucking dongles wiring breaks really fast

[-] ech@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago

And wears out your USB plug exponentially faster.

[-] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 months ago

Also, the 3.5mm audio port on your phone has another reason to exist.

Your music is digital until something converts into an analog waveform that your headphones or speakers can use. That thing is the digital to analog converter aka a DAC.

The quality of the DAC directly effects the quality of the audio. The cheap dongle you buy on amazon for a few bucks is the cheapest pos that exists. Most phones with a 3.5 output will produce better sound because the manufacturer can elect to put a better DAC in the phone hardware. In fact, a high quality DAC built into the phone would be a nice selling point for audiophiles or a nice upgrade for those who might otherwise choose to buy an external dac--now they dont have to.

[-] Laser@feddit.org 9 points 4 months ago

When a headphone is connected to the USB-C port via passive adapter, the phone detects this and uses the USB-C port in a pincompatible way; nothing electrical changes.

A passive AUX to USB-C cable

This came with a cheap phone I bought in 2017 or so, there are no active components in there as far as I know.

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[-] SirActionSack@aussie.zone 23 points 4 months ago

that space could be used for a bigger battery

This is the truly bizarre part. Removing thr 3.5mm port is about thinness.

It is the antithesis of increasing battery life.

[-] Lumisal@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

I don't understand how people like Bluetooth earbuds.

You have to constantly clean them because of ear wax for starters, and they're much more uncomfortable if you're sweaty. Not to mention all the years of doctors saying don't use Q-tips because it pushes ear wax into your ears just for everyone to start shoving buds in there anyway. To bad the younger generation didn't get to learn about wired clip-ons or flat cables. Wish they still make them but I suppose bonephonesoike Shokz are safer for when cycling.

Then there's the battery issues. That just feels like a downgrade. Not only is it yet another thing you have to remember to charge, but they can run out of battery. Aux version literally never runs out of battery. Maybe if we had a new gen of battery that lasted months sure, but we don't yet.

And lastly battery on phone isn't an issue. I have an Xperia 1 V and can easily use the phone all day without running out of battery, and it has a headphone jack.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Not all Bluetooth earbuds are in-ears.

And I prefer charging than having to deal with a cable all the time and the jack is a real dirt magnet.

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[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

Dafuq kind of take is this?

notices what sub we're in

oh, I see. Carry on.

[-] EldenLord@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Wouldn‘t a second USB-C outlet make sense? One for charging, one for audio/data/external devices. Or is that still too much space wasted?

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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

A 3.5mm AUX jack takes up a significant amount of space just to connect a few wires that could be connected through USB-C anyway, that space could be used for a bigger battery.

The USB-C is unavailable because its being used to keep the phone powered. Is your solution to force everyone to carry yet another dongle in the form of a splitter?

[-] MBech@feddit.dk 19 points 4 months ago

How often are you really charging your phone while also using headphones, and do you really think that usecase is widespread enough to warrent an extra connection?

[-] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

It's >0, which is all that matters IMO.

[-] FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

If you’re using an older battery (which we should be as much as possible) then plugging in is needed more frequently. Upgrading every two years is not good for the environment, and certainly not good for the child slaves mining the parts for our batteries.

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[-] Million@lemmy.zip 19 points 4 months ago

I ended up bying a phone without a jack. I got 2 dongles that split into a jack and a charging port, so i can charge in bed while watching videos. One of the jacks has static noise and whine, the other has i think some kind of digital to analog interface that cuts the sound conpletely when the audio is too low.

So i hear static or when i watch a video or listen to an audiobook, when there is a pause in speech i hear the sound cut out completely, or if a video has soft background music on it, it might not pick up on it at all.

It's very distracting.

And if you go online to buy a dongle, they dont really say what they have in them, or you dont know how your phone handles the conversion etc.

So I don't think "just buy a dongle" is the solution. It works but now i have all these problems i didnt have with my old phone that had a jack...

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[-] tvik@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago

Yeah.. I disagree. One only thing that I got to give to bluetooth headphones is dealing with the cable - sometimes it's just more preferable to have no wires, especially during sport activities.

I'm still on the lookout for the next phone with a headphone jack. I was so hoping for it to be the next fairphone, but sadly that's not it. (Old small ZenFone was perfect but software support of Asus is ass)

[-] Gabadabs 18 points 4 months ago

I disagree. My phone has perfectly acceptable battery life and a 3.5mm jack, I use it all day and get home with over 40% left every day. I need the jack to use my earbuds at work, and to listen to music in my car - and I'm gonna be honest with you something as small as an adapter WILL get lost by me. Everyone's got a different use case, and it might not be important for you, but your use case isn't everyone's.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is something only the nerds complain about. The general public prefer Bluetooth buds. If there was significant demand for phones with AUX, someone would build them.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 12 points 4 months ago

These companies don't give a shit what the public demands. The public just gobbles up the newest model regardless of what features it offers.

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[-] Addv4@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

I feel this is a very good unpopular opinion, as I think a lot of the annoyance about the fair phone not having a headphone jack is that they bill themselves as a sustainable phone maker who prides themselves as reducing waste and increasing repairability of their devices, something that dongles kinda fly in the face of from an ewaste perspective.

The same target group that they are aiming at generally likes stuff like expandable storage (so that they don't have to upgrade devices just to hold all their photos and stuff) and having a dead simple headphone jack so they can use one of the oldest standard ports in the world to use their headphones.

Since most newer phones have multiple days worth of battery life, I'm more than willing to sacrifice a few hours worth of runtime (maybe even a days worth) just to have a headphone jack. And you could say that I am in the minority of phone users, which is apparently true, however I'd argue I am pretty solidly in the target demographic for a fairphone, which I'm not getting due to the lack of a headphone jack. I instead, got a Sony Xperia 1 V (stupid name for a very nice phone) which offered a 3.5 mm, expandable storage, and decent repairability.

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[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 months ago

I like having a separate connector for audio because it gets a lot of use and this lots of wear from the constant plugging and unplugging, and I'm often moving around with the headphones plugged in. I don't want to have to worry about breaking something from doing this.

Small USB connectors tend to be the first point of failure in most of my devices, and a broken USB port would render a phone completely unusable. I don't want to take that risk.

[-] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Aux jack is much more reliable than usb-c and can be plugged into any orientation. It is a superior connector. The size difference is negotiable and phones should be made a few mmm larger anyway to fit peoples hand better.

[-] 3aqn5k6ryk@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

If i were in my mid 20, I probably disagree but not anymore. Wireless earbuds sound quality is good enough for me. Plus, not having wire dangling around me is major convenience. I'd trade a lesser sound quality for no wire in a heartbeat. The first day i went jogging without wired earbud is liberating. Even on treadmill is godsend. I can move around my house easier.

Plus, anyone that is an audiophile probably have a dedicated audio player.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 10 points 4 months ago
[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I’ve taken apart a phone for the purposes of replacing a battery. While everything is very compact as you can imagine, there is also a surprising amount of unused space. I’ll admit I’m not an engineer, so I don’t know if this space is error margin for manufacturing tolerances or something, but there is certainly enough room for a jack to be installed were this space tightened up just a little.

[-] BurgerBaron@piefed.ca 8 points 4 months ago

Bluetooth 5 is 50Mbit/s it's perfectly fine even more so past 5.4 for latency and 6.x. even better. So personally for me it's good enough now. The battery life on my WF Sony earbuds has been enough to not annoy me at all. So, it's better than a tangling cord.

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