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Trump is ignoring court orders, and the Supreme Court seems OK with that (www.motherjones.com)

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[-] floo@retrolemmy.com 142 points 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

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[-] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago

Decades of chanting "we are the best" yet they cower at the thought of standing up for themselves.

[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 21 points 5 months ago

The people cowering and the people chanting we are the best are two completely different groups of people. The NRA is a political group made for "rising when needed", a prime example of a group in the US chanting we are the best, but the NRA doesn't see anything thats going on as wrong. Those of us that do see things going wrong are doing our best, but without mass suicide theres not a whole lot more we can do that we aren't already doing. Writing and calling politicians, showing up to town halls, protesting (violent and nonviolent). I'm not sure what you expect us to do short of forming a leftist militia that will be tienamin squared in less than 2 seconds of forming. The working class as it stands can't do much other than sit and get shot at by ice and the coast guard while waiting for a larger politician to actually fucking do something.

[-] DogWater@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

People down voting you can't comprehend that a country has a wide range of nuanced views among its citizens for some reason lmao

How do these people make it into adulthood

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's a nice excuse to give up and let fascists drag your neighbours off to El Salvador.

Land of the Free. Home of the Brave. Yet here you are whining "but it's haaarrrrddd". Fucking grow up. It's called a fight for freedom for a reason. It's not easy.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Lots of people are willing to foment civil war part 2 but very few are willing to fight in it.

It's kinda like how most Americans think that it would be better for the country if more people worked in factories, but none of those same people polled want to work in the factories themselves.

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

You either fight for your democracy or your lose it. That's the situation you're in, whether you like it or not.

How do these people make it into adulthood

Saying crap like this is defeatist and putting down people willing to fight and who call for others to do the same is helping the fascists. Which side are you on? It's your choice.

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[-] DogWater@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

You're bad at reading comprehension.

[-] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Oh you're just the perfect example of my very point. Thanks for backing me up.

[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 10 points 5 months ago

Explain what you mean or you'll have changed no one's mind and preached to your own choir, that is unless that's what you've wanted to do this whole time and don't actually care what happens to anyone over here.

[-] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I am Canadian. I worked as a medic in Canada when 9-11 happened. I volunteered and left my home, family, friends and my job to come to NY to help my fellow man. I felt it was important. EMS then was a pretty small community when you got into higher skill levels so I personally knew some of the FF's killed that day and many associated with them as well. I was there for a month with a team of fellow Canadians pulling out body parts of your countrymen.

I watched your people rant and rave and run around screaming to kill the terrorists. I watched your president openly lie to the people to get them into this state and declare war over fantasies and money. Our team was told to fuck off and go home when we objected or questioned at all or in any way. After our month was up we did. I personally haven't crossed the border since and never would again after the treatment we received for trying to help.

We worked with people from all walks of life, all backgrounds on that site. All were screaming for blood without even looking at the facts. No one stood up and said it was not ok. No one attempted to stop it. They all screamed about bombs that never even existed and there was plenty of information available to be informed correctly.

The same is happening again except now it's at home. You're waiting for people who don't care about you to stand up for you while they openly and brazenly lie to you. Until you realize no one is going to do it for you you're fucked.

You're right about one thing. There will be no changing someone's mind and for the most part I could care less what happens to you as Americans after my experiences there. You can Thank your Fellow Americans for that. If I did care I would suggest you would organise but every time I or anyone else does, we get told you'll just be mowed down in a hail of bullets and to "fuck off" because we are idiots. Familiar. Yet defeating a dictator most often takes risking one's life. In fact there are very very few instances of it happening any other way.

All this however doesn't make it less shocking that one of the most brazen, murderous, war mongering and heavily armed populations in the world is so fucking docile and subservient to their masters that they cringe at the thought of fighting for themselves and their neighbors.

[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 6 points 5 months ago

The personal anecdote has nothing to do with the people who as I've already stated, are already doing everything they can, short of suicide. You interacted with pieces of shit in NYC, one if the most densely populated areas of the country which produced the current president, and are basing your entire view of the country off of those people. I'm not going to sit here and deny your experience, I'm sure they were assholes. Saying the entirety of the people who want to stop the current admin are just like those people is ignorant. Saying that people should openly go and get themselves killed is ignorant. We are the minority. By numbers alone, we can be trampled over and taken care of. We do not have the might of the US armed forced behind us. You are asking us to walk into a meat shredder for fodder. It would be nothing more than a performance, then the US would only be left with the fascists currently in place. Do you really think that would be the world we want to be in, where there is no opposition? Because as it stands we have nothing. The non-MAGA cultists dont have tanks. We dont have missiles, we dont have tear gas and mustard gas. The most any of us have is maybe a semi-automatic rifle. Believe what you want, but as it stands your idea of "fighting back" is handing the country to the fascists on a golden plate.

[-] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The excuses are vile. NY is full of assholes. Most of your gang are vilifying southerners not New Yorkers. Enjoy the dictatorship and camps. No one could have prevented this and no one can stop it but you...yet here we all are watching your citizens, judges and lawmakers arrested, deported, sent to concentration camps and even killed. Unknown men in masks abducting people from the street, their homes, work and even courthouses. Your federal government attacking countries with bombs and support for genocide for no reason other than greed. That's the American way. You all just sit and watch it happen and say but they have guns.

I truly wish you would fight back because eventually it will be my problem. Your drumphkins won't stop at imaginary lines on a map. He hasn't thus far. I won't sit at home and cower when it happens and I can assure you many Canadians are already organized for just that circumstance. Perhaps we will die. But we will try and not roll over like a beaten dog. You seem to have.

There are many examples from the recent past of people with less fighting the American military might with sweet fuck all. The Taliban did it for two decades and never once lost control. Why? Not because they have missiles and rocket launchers but because they're organized. Ukraine stood duo to what was thought at the time to be the second strongest army in the world. They still stand up today. They didn't lie down either and I doubt they ever will. Sure they had an organized army but a small one with very little training or modern equipment. No navy boats. Pretty much a non existent Airforce as well.

Americans however are cowards. Plain and simple. Unwilling to fight for themselves, their families or their rights. Every suggestion we could possibly make is met with disdain and the cry of it's impossible. Yet others have done it multiple times in other places. Even to your own military that is supposedly impossible to fight.

[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 7 points 5 months ago

Okay, I'll go fight back with my fuckin NOTHING. I have some kitchen knives, maybe I can do something with that. I have a car that needs to be repaired every 2 weeks, let me go ride that into battle. "The excuses are vile" dawg youre fucking vile thinking I have anything to FIGHT WITH OTHER THAN MY BODY. I AM NOT BULLET PROOF. but yeah I'll go get myself KILLED so when the magats get to your house you can die faster too. Instead of fighting us in courtrooms and in protests they won't have to fight us at all because we gave them a reason to kill us.

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[-] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

The number of absolute cowards in here whining at you… Christ.

[-] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

That's what cowards do. Their children and grandchildren will ask them one day what they did during this time and they'll lie. Because they're cowards and that's what cowards do.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago

pokes Schumer with a stick

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

He's furrowing his brow as much as he can!

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago

THEY MADE IT LEGAL FOR HIM TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS OF COURSE THEY ARE IGNORING HIM

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[-] breecher@sh.itjust.works 33 points 5 months ago

Well of course. That is what they are being paid to be.

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 30 points 5 months ago

Huh, who would'a thunk that "separation of powers" and "checks and balances" were just tools to simultaneously prevent progressive policy from being passed, and to give a semblance of democracy from a capitalist empire

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 months ago

The lack of separation is the problem, as Washington warned against the allowance of political parties

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[-] mintiefresh@piefed.ca 16 points 5 months ago

The system is broken.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Which is why decorum will rescue us if we don't resist the tide of fascism. Remember the words of Chuck Shumer "fascism loses when we stop resisting it."

[-] Vedgytones@leminal.space 3 points 5 months ago

The system is down

[-] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago

Of course they are ok with it, they’ve been ok with everything he has done since the beginning.

[-] peteyestee@feddit.org 14 points 5 months ago

At least we are learning it was always bullshit.

[-] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 months ago

So what?

-People OK with Deporting Toddlers with Cancer because their Parents are trying to Legally Immigrate!

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

It's okay guys, I'm sure that if you go outside and walk some more with some especially passive-aggressive signs the regime will realize their wrongdoings.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

What do you think this comment contributes to this conversation?

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[-] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago

This is real shit and all but also holy fuck is it impossible to read MJ anymore. Ads took me away from the content 3 times trying to read this.

[-] ryper@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 months ago

Mother Jones has a full-text RSS feed. No pictures, but no ads either.

[-] prole 3 points 5 months ago

Neat.

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[-] don@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

fucking duh

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