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[-] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 17 points 12 hours ago

Importing workers to make 16.84/hr. Just what American is going to accept that kind of wage when the boss is getting grants of hundreds of thousands of dollars?

The immigrant would have to work 11,876 hours to earn the 200k handout that the boss gets for hiring him seasonally for two years. How is this sustainable? Are we all going to be working to subsidize farmers by 100k/year to hire a single foreign farmhand?

Not to mention the program for that grant has only 141 members... it just doesn't make sense.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago

OK, so, I live in farm country and there's some problems with what your saying. 1. It's actually good pay. In fact some farmers have tried raising the pay to attract more workers, it rarely works. Farms are in the middle of nowhere. There's no city. MAYBE there's a post office and a store that sells exclusively Croation gass station fare. MAYBE. It's temporary work. You get a few months pay. So. Remote, physically demanding, and temporary. That's what makes it a ''no thanks'' job for every American. We live hand to mouth, we live in a stack of cards that requires constant payments. That's not a problem in Latin America for the most part, they live hand to mouth but they can save up money, they are maxed out on payments and debt, they just throw extra money in a jar and only live of what they really really need. So working a few months in the US, then Canada, then Mexico, it's OK. That's why they're called seasonal farm workers. When you close to boarders you trap them out of their job and create insane problems. I don't know why Americans can't figure out how the food gets to the Walmart, but they have been failing up grasp this for a long ass time.

[-] LordGimp@lemm.ee 6 points 5 hours ago

You're not gaslighting anyone into thinking $17 an hour is worth much of anything. What the fuck does "some farmers have tried raising the pay to attract more workers, it rarely works" mean?? Oh no, farms are paying more, better not work there. Are you retarded? You don't see rednecks passing up oilfield work because it's out in the middle of nowhere. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the six figure paychecks those jobs have. Nope. Hell, I bet if you dropped their pay to $17 an hour, every roughneck in the field would sprint as fast as they could over to thank you personally. What a fuckin genius idea.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago

I thought that Covid would have been enough of a trial run for that.

At least in my country it was that. You know, it was Covid, with the highest unemployment rate since quite a long time, and farmers ran nation-wide ads looking for workers. They increased the pay sometimes up to 2-3x. They promised housing in nice hotels. And still, nobody wanted to do the job and that year there was just no strawberries on the shelves.

The only way working as a farm hand makes sense is if:

  • The workers have no decent other option
  • Working on a farm is safer than working at home
  • Money is worth a lot more where they are from, so that the meagre salary they make in the target country is worth multiple times of that back home, so that the €1000-1200 they make over here turn into the equivalent purchasing power of €4000-6000 back home.
[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 46 points 16 hours ago

Well yeah. Turns out people who aren't in fear of being deported won't work for a fraction of minimum wage paid under the table.

[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 46 points 17 hours ago

They'll start calling to use prison labor soon enough. Prisons are commercial facilities anyway and could use some cash. And there are more African American in prison proportionally so that's a bonus for MAGA. Police will get their cut for putting more people in prison. That way the new racist slave labor gets established.

[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 29 points 16 hours ago

That is already happening at scale

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 17 points 16 hours ago

That's definitely the plan, and they'll be using private, for-profit prison companies. One is a facility in Louisiana that has been closed twice due to abuse and torture of inmates, and has been reopened as an ICE facility they've been stashing the students arrested for pro-Palestinian protests there. The Columbia student who just got released was being held there.

They are also building a 30,000 bed facility at Guantanamo Bay. The $250 million dollar contract has been awarded, and it's underway. For context, the average maximum security prison hold 800-1200 people, with the largest in Angola, LA holding about 8400. So this new facility is nearly 4 times larger than the largest prison, which is already several times larger than average. Clearly, they intend to house MANY people there.

It's my belief that they will eventually take the position that if you can't stay actively employed (due to AI, robotics, automation, discrimination, etc.) and require the help of the government to survive, then they will house and feed you in exchange for renting you out as slave labor. That way, they can say they solved the homeless problems, even though all they did was turn them into slaves.

And the MAGA followers will go along with it, happy that the "parasites" are being forced to work. Besides, they've been hoping for slavery to return since 1865. The only legal slavery in America is prison labor, and like MAGA always does, they intend to exploit the shit out of that Amendment.

[-] pleasegoaway@lemm.ee 47 points 18 hours ago

This is part of the plan. Small farms will be run out of business and then bought for a low price and consolidated by mega farms.

Big Agriculture wants this and lobbies for it to happen.

[-] tauisgod@lemmy.world 18 points 17 hours ago

What a coincidence that the VP has a financial interest in independent farms going bankrupt.

[-] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

I definitely believe this, but do you have a source I can point to for others?

[-] derry@midwest.social 7 points 17 hours ago

Another 80s reboot

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 63 points 19 hours ago

These red voting MAGA fucks were receiving grants to hire labor and they claim socialism is bad. I have zero sympathy for their problems and this is another classic FAFO situation.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 12 points 16 hours ago

they claim socialism is bad

They mean compassion for the out-groups.

[-] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 18 points 18 hours ago

Yes but if the farm work doesn't get done you are looking at the next thing which will be the great American famine, which I expect somewhere this summer. If the US food production falters and importing food is made very expensive though tarriffs, Americans are not going to have enough food.

It's going to be like post revolutionary China in so many ways.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 11 points 17 hours ago

AND ITS ALL BIDEN'S FAULT!

/S, so you don't think I'm one of those MAGA Nazis who actually, truly believe that.

[-] Sidhean@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Its actually Obama's fault, still. I really don't get how, but he (Trump) said he(Obama)'d nuke Iran. The deep state strikes again now is the time for peace etc all caps

/s :(

[-] Chiarottide@lemmy.world 49 points 20 hours ago

Repeat with me, class: There are no bad jobs, only bad conditions

[-] TechWizard@sh.itjust.works 34 points 19 hours ago

No shit jobs only shit wages.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

There are people who literally shovel congealed fat out of sewers, that's definitely a shit job.

They get paid a ridiculous amount though.

[-] ErrorCode@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago

I heard this story during his last administration. Assclowns never learn.

[-] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 30 points 20 hours ago

The idea is so badly implemented... you have to raise back Unions and decent salaries, what they expecting is that actual born americans will do the same job for the same shit money that desperate migrants who have absolutely nothing.

So in essence they want the new slaves to be US born, yeah fuck that.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 17 points 19 hours ago

Society needs more unions period.

[-] medgremlin@midwest.social 10 points 18 hours ago

I'm a medical student applying for residency this year, and the top program I'm interested in is at the top of my list partially because the residents have a union.

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[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 7 points 17 hours ago

new slaves to be US born

Prison labor. And what minority is overrepresented in prison?

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 19 hours ago

In a place where local, legal help was nearly impossible to keep<' the Post is reporting before adding, "But then Trump,

At least three typo mistakes in this article. The degree of publish-fast-don't-edit in our "journalism" is off the scale. I hate it.

Anyway, this is what you voted for, asshole.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 52 points 22 hours ago

What's that? Southern states running on cheap labour can't cope with the loss of that labour? Where have we heard that before?

Fool me once and all that, but they actually voted for it this time round...

[-] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 16 points 20 hours ago

It’s not just Southerners who are the bad guys here. A huge amount of liberals are ecstatic to exploit cheap migrant labor as well.

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[-] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 30 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Time for Mexico to pump up its own agriculture to supply the goods that will be needed on the other side of the fence. Labor is plenty now.

[-] The_v@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago

Mexico and Canada have been investing in agricultural infrastructure for decades now. The only reason that the U.S. farmer can compete is due to shenanigans in import requirements. Imports are held to a much higher standard than domestic production. It's why the majority of foodborne outbreaks are from American production.

American farmers have been conditioned to rely on cheap labor and expensive equipment. There's been only been minor infrastructure investment since the 1970's.

Without government subsidies and cheap labor, the majority of the farmers business models in the us is not sustainable.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago

Mexican farm produce at American farm prices. That's how capitalism works, right?

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 113 points 1 day ago

I wouldn't mind being a crop worker...provided I get at least minimum wage, breaks, healthcare, and reasonable quotas that ensure my wellbeing.

...crickets...

[-] prole 22 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour.

Good luck with that.

[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 10 points 20 hours ago

I would assume they were joking. Why you would do anything for minimum wage is beyond me

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[-] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 30 points 23 hours ago

I've done a lot of seasonal field scale farm work, mostly in Europe - it can be extremely hard work. Couldn't do it now, you have to be pretty fit.

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[-] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 19 points 21 hours ago

The leopard of eating faces is going to become obese after the end of this year

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[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 38 points 1 day ago

At least they are removing all those gang members from the fields

[-] EverXIII@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

Question: Are you getting great already?

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[-] cabillaud@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago

Isn't it a confession that he wittingly employs undocumented migrants and isn't it illegal?

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hard to say since a lot of immigrants with legal status have been kidnapped and trafficked out of country.

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[-] febra@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago

Good! No exploiters should be able to sustain their practices.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 26 points 23 hours ago

Awww. That sucks. Your prolonged suffering as your entire lifes work slowly collapses around you, crops dying and cattle being sold in order to try and prop up what little you have left as you scream at everything around you....

Oh it's going to be so fucking entertaining.

[-] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 23 hours ago

real "food comes from the supermarket" vibes here...

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 34 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

No. Real "I'm not an American and am done giving a single fuck" vibes here.

It's almost like there are other places on the planet that are not the United States!

[-] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 22 hours ago

Being an American who is stuck here and didn't choose any of this, wishing additional suffering upon us doesn't feel great, but I understand where you're coming from.

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[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago

They promised JJ 100,000 a year to hire illegals and whatever other farm subsidies AND his whole family is on Medicaid. Is he literally that bad at living off farming, rather than welfare, or is he also committing fraud?

Why is a welfare queen (by the original definition) voting Republican

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