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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago

God damn, people. Didn't masked ICE agents snatch the New York City Comptroller and the migrant who had showed up for a hearing from the center of a heavily policed immigration court? Did anyone on the NYPD try and stop them?

You can see a local police officer in the fucking headline image. He's holding back the press and letting masked ICE agents do as thou wilt. If the local PD won't stick their necks out for a municipal senior official, what are the odds they're going to do it for you?

This, after a sitting US Senator was arrested during a press conference? Who are you fooling?

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago

Dial 911 first, and say there's a masked person with a gun. No need to qualify that shit.

[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago

My thoughts exactly. You think gestapo is gonna wait patiently while you call 911?

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[-] postcapitalism@lemmy.today 19 points 2 days ago

The real answer is anytime you see ICE acting extra-judicially call the police to report masked armed men trespassing and assaulting people.

Be vague. You don’t know who they are, they look suspicious, they look like they are about to commit a crime, this could be an active shooter/crime in progress , pointed a gun at you…. You know facts.

[-] sudo@programming.dev 252 points 3 days ago

Utterly delusional to think any of that would work. At every step you would just get your face beaten in. When the cops come they too will just beat your face in.

Thinking you can castle doctrine a squad of ICE agents is equally delusional. You could probably take a couple out but you'd still die in the end and be risking the lives of anyone that lives with you.

The only solution is well known and already in practice in places like LA: have an active community response force that will show up and intimidate and harass the ICE agents. All of the previous delusions assume you, alone, can stop an ICE with just your privledge.

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 87 points 3 days ago

No badges, no uniforms, driving unmarked cars and wearing masks? I think any person could successfully argue in court that they thought they were being kidnapped by criminals.

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 125 points 3 days ago

You never get to court, that's the point the previous comment is making.

As an individual trying to stand up to them you're somewhere between being either completely ineffectual or making the situation worse. Having the law on your side doesn't matter because it's impossible for you to summon the enforcement of it fast enough to help you, assuming they even would.

A local community response that will mobilize and appear in your neighborhood in seconds is basically the only way to respond quickly with enough force for them to care about.

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[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago

You're still thinking as if due process and legality matters

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[-] sxan@midwest.social 16 points 2 days ago

It happened at one of the protests. Someone asked one of the officers for their badge number and got their head battered.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 23 points 2 days ago

Folks also need to be tearing down the local deathcamps, and rescuing the people still alive in them.

[-] TachyonTele@piefed.social 31 points 3 days ago

There were posters stapled to phone polls in my area with what to do when ice is around. Demand id, demand a warrent etc etc.

The next day there were news stories of ice not even caring about any of that.

They do not care about the law. Lock your door and hide. If you're a neighbor tell them no one's home. That's about as much as you can do as an individual.

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[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If one of the possible answers to your question is "yes, I am indeed armed, and committing a felony by impersonating a law enforcement officer", you should reconsider your most recent life choices. In particular, asking them that question.

Observe from a safe distance, and call 911. What on earth do you hope to gain by going up to them for a chat?

excuuuuuuuse me. Are you actually taking people hostages? Or is this some kind of publicity stunt? Hellooo?! Are you really shooting at me? That's just, like, so rude.

[-] musubibreakfast@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago

These sort of tactics might work if you're with a large group in a public space, if you're one person then it might not be the best idea. Honestly a lot of this stuff is highly context dependent.

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[-] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Normally I'm not the guy to say it, but if you don't own a gun, you may want to change that.

[-] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 19 points 2 days ago

...if you live in the US. If you live elsewhere, please don't own a gun. We really don't want to get that snowball rolling.

[-] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Good luck with that argument.

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[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 162 points 3 days ago

Ideally while having someone who isn't you record the interaction, so when they drop you to the pavement and your phone 'regrettably' gets smashed to pieces, there's still some external record of what went down.

[-] EmptySlime 75 points 3 days ago

Livestreaming the encounter could also potentially work. But yeah, ideally you probably want as many different camera angles and recordings as you can.

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[-] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 66 points 3 days ago

This always makes me think, if you resist an "ice agent" because they have not identified themselves, your not liable right? Like if you go infront of a court wouldn't you have a good case to say, "they didn't identify themselves, I thought I might be assaulted or kidnapped by someone"

[-] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 64 points 2 days ago

Except you won't go to a court. You'll go to a camp.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago

Herein lies the problem.

There is no due process.

There is no law except what they choose to enforce.

You will not see a judge.

You will never be convicted by a jury of your peers.

You will just die, or be sent off to a place where you will likely wish that you were dead.

This is not law enforcement. This is not legal. They will not follow their own laws, why would you? If they come for you, fight like your life depends on it, because it probably does.

[-] Akrenion@slrpnk.net 84 points 3 days ago

There is a reason why they suspend due process.

You are being kidnapped.

[-] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 72 points 2 days ago

Your first mistake was assuming you would be allowed to see a court.

[-] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 114 points 3 days ago

They wear the masks so they can’t be identified. They don’t want their kids friends and school friends to know that what they do.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 45 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I don't think they care what their family thinks of them .... I think they care about how angry democratically minded citizens see them as unidentified fascists hiding behind masks

If what you are doing is legal, legitimate and moral ... then you never have to mask your name or hide your face

If what you are doing is illegal, immoral and highly dangerous to everyone including you and your family and you know it .. then you are more apt to want to hide your identity and avoid having to deal with the repercussions of what you know is wrong

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[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

It would be incredible if we could get through a lawsuit to news stations anytime they make bad assumptions in articles. They continually write "Federal agents detained ..." when they should be writing "A team of unidentified individuals in masks and armor detained ..."

Just as they are always meant to write "The suspect" not "The criminal". Nothing must be assumed in reporting (exceptions allowed if they've contacted ICE headquarters and received a confirmation of them)

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[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 56 points 3 days ago

Next protest literally everyone should dress up in the same outfit the ICE officers dress in. Who would they arrest?

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 27 points 3 days ago

I was in autopilot reading this like don't dress like cops then I remembered the cops aren't dressing like cops. (I'm very sleepy.)

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[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago

Skip straight to step 3. Just call 911. These guys aren't fucking around, and neither should you.

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[-] onesixone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago

How does this post even make sense in this community? literally written in the sidebar:

The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

This is a SLIGHTLY different case than what the sidebar mentions.

Yes, asking asking the police to investigate themselves is a non-starter.

This post is advocating turning the state/local police against ICE, a federal agency.

I agree, it's unlikely to make a difference. But if you call 9-1-1 and report "Masked men in an unmarked car just kidnapped someone", it's way different from asking internal affairs to investigate another cop.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

This post is advocating turning the state/local police against ICE, a federal agency.

More than 600 local police agencies are partnering with ICE: See if yours is one of them

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago

Don't even engage; just call 911 immediately. If they're not proactively proving their legitimacy they're already guilty.

[-] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

You ever notice how they stand with their hands covering their badges and name plates?

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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Except HSI and ICE don’t have badge numbers, so you’d say, “What’s your name and call sign?” The call sign is most commonly a letter followed by 3 digits. ex: A-123

https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Customs_and_Border_Protection

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    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

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