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Over the past few decades, the number of Americans who identify as religiously unaffiliated—often referred to as “nones”—has grown rapidly. In the 1970s, only about 5% of Americans fell into this category. Today, that number exceeds 25%. Scholars have debated whether this change simply reflects a general decline in belief, or whether it signals something more complex. The research team wanted to explore the deeper forces at play: Why are people leaving institutional religion? What are they replacing it with? And how are their personal values shaping that process?

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[-] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 hours ago

I was a skeptical little kid, and I have been an atheist since I first learned of the term around 1st grade. I was also very interested in archeology and mythology, so exposure to all those other religions didn't help the Christianity case. As a child, I assumed that the whole god/jesus thing was just like Santa and the Easter Bunny. That it was a made up story to instill morals in kids, and that eventually when I was older the adults would admit it to me. Of course, they never did. But I had a lot of friends at church and generally enjoyed my time there, so I didn't openly talk about being an atheist until college.

I actually do kind of miss the community aspect of a church. I have always assumed that is the biggest draw that keeps people interested. Both for the support network, and sense of belonging.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago

No no no, this ancient religion from the Middle East based off of several other cultures mythology is the TRUTH!

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 24 points 20 hours ago

Because it's a grift?

[-] gerowen@lemmy.world 29 points 22 hours ago

Because it's all horseshit?

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago

My guess is that the extreme hatred flowing out of outspoken "Christians" in the US is a huge turn-off, as it should be.

[-] Zenith@lemm.ee 14 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Everyone, myself included always come back to the same reason - there is no proof.

If I was given actual proof of a god or pantheon or any other ridiculous nonsense I’d absolutely change my mind but actual proof magic exists can’t exist because magic isn’t real

I fully accept that I don’t and can’t truly understand the universe but where the fuck does that somehow morph into “god did it” it’s ok not to know everything I don’t need made up bullshit to fill the gaps so I can feel better about not having every answer. Live with not knowing, that’s what being human is meant to be, acceptance

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 21 hours ago

god definitely exists, as it's just a philosophical concept to say the "cause of all causes". by definition, such a thing exists, i would say.

the issue is more with organized religion. there's a lot of rules and bureaucracy in it, and most of that is outdated.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

god definitely exists, as it's just a philosophical concept to say the "cause of all causes".

I hope you stretched before making that leap.

Snark aside, this is just a dressed-up version of the "god of the gaps" argument, and is by no means proof of the existence of god. Changing the definition of "god" to be the "cause of all causes" is uselessly broad at best, and misattribution at worst - the "cause of all causes" may very well be a natural phenomenon, at which point attributing it to "god" is just straight up incorrect.

by definition, such a thing exists, i would say.

Actually, maybe not. There's some new theories and evidence suggesting that it's possible that the universe is eternal, as in it has always existed, making the existence of a "cause of all causes" impossible (unless of course you also water down the definition of that phrase to the point where it's meaningless).

[-] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 18 hours ago

god definitely exists, as it’s just a philosophical concept to say the “cause of all causes”.

Most believers will assert that their god exists in a different, more concrete way. The number of persons able or willing to discuss the topic on your terms is an insignificant minority.

[-] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 5 points 20 hours ago

I can give you 100+ reasons why…. None are good for you and/or me.

[-] Ushmel@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

We can just go to therapy instead of confessional.

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago
[-] Ushmel@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Not if you actually tithe 10% like they want you to and have insurance and/or community support. Which of course not everyone has. But my point is that more insurance covers it now than 30 years ago.

[-] gabbath@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

They have tech now. And conspiracy theories. Lots of stuff to cult about. They can build their own religion if they want.

[-] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

Discard organized religion, replace it with rational materialism and/or roll your own bullshit.

Personally, I opt for the second one - this religion/spiritualism stuff hits different when you know, constantly remind yourself, and tell others that it's just your pet pile of bullshit.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

With blackjack and hookers! In fact, forget the religion!

[-] TurnOnTheSunflower@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

samus12345, you lead and I will follow. All hail samus12345.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 23 hours ago
[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

the atomisation of society!

it would throw society into chaos! (/s)

[-] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago
[-] Zomg@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Because I don't need God to be a good person, or know what good morals are.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

I think it was Penn Jillette who put it best...

I murder all I want to, and the amount I want is zero

[-] P1k1e@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Not to mention you'll do a better job at it if you think for yourself on the subject rather than delegating it to a spiritual leader with potentially dubious agendas

[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

For their study, Schnabel and his colleagues used data from the National Study of Youth and Religion. This included four waves of longitudinal survey data and 183 in-depth interviews conducted from 2003 to 2013. The sample included over 1,300 individuals, each tracked from adolescence into young adulthood. [...] The number of respondents attending religious services dropped dramatically between 2003 and 2013.

The study used data that's 12 years old! Millennials are not young adults anymore. At this point it's well known that Americans, especially the younger cohorts, are moving away from religion, so why even bother reanalyzing ancient data?

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

It is very useful to reanalyze old data. Recently, a study came out that concluded that we have misunderstood the role of nutrition and calories in fitness, and it examined studies over a period of decades to come to the conclusions. You don't always need new data to make new conclusions.

[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

The role nutrition in fitness isn't likely to change in twelve years; the role of, say, politics in affecting one's religious affiliation absolutely will.

[-] Zenith@lemm.ee 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Gen Z is more religious and conservative, than millennials, a lot more

[-] capital@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago

Generally less able to identify scams so, it tracks.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago

I'm not sure they got to play the tutorial levels that we did.

A lot of us millennials had hotmail accounts that got the actual stereotypical Nigerian Prince emails. They were obvious as shit, so we learned to put our guard up. Gen Z came of age into a world full of pig butchering scams and other such sophisticated shit.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 21 hours ago

In the 1970s, only about 5% of Americans fell into this category. Today, that number exceeds 25%.

That's ... a surprisingly slow transition. I can understand that an official turn away from christianity only started in the 1970s, fueled by a cultural revolution.

But the fact that only 25% of people have officially said no to religion as of today is staggering me. I would have thought it would be closer to 80%, maybe.

[-] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Quantitative analysis showed a steep and consistent decline in institutional religious involvement. The number of respondents attending religious services dropped dramatically between 2003 and 2013. At the start of the study, over 80% attended services at least occasionally. By the end, nearly 60% reported never attending.

Affiliation with religious institutions also declined, with formal identification falling from nearly 89% to just 60%. Belief in God showed a more modest drop—from about 83% to 66%—while individual spiritual practices like meditation actually increased. The percentage of participants who practiced meditation rose from 12% to over 21%, suggesting that spirituality remained meaningful even as institutional ties weakened.

The 'nones' didn't say no to religion, just to organized religion. Atheists are not in that percentage, nor are people who have a religious identity (eg Pagan, Jewish etc) but don't actively go to gatherings of that religion.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Here's my theory why:

  • People nowadays have higher average education and can much more easilly spot the logical inconsistences in Religion.
  • People are so overexposed and overwhelmed by swindles in the modern era that they are more naturally spotting the swindle nature of ancient swindles such as Religion.
[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 169 points 1 day ago

Well, my whole life, I've lived in a society where organized Christianity has overwhelmingly been a force for evil, rather than a force for good. Fuck, I straight-up believe that most Evangelical Christians are devil worshipers. If your religion leads you to hate, you aren't worshiping God, you're worshiping the Devil.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago

Christianity is, by definition, a cult of human sacrifice.

Kinda puts the entire faith into perspective.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 21 hours ago

human sacrifice

like a candle that burns and therefore melts.

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[-] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 27 points 1 day ago

Good for them.

These ancient lies designed for crowd control have been horrible these past thousand years.

Not that modern political groups or sects etc are much better...

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 21 hours ago

i just want to point out that medieval christianity was actually fine. it helped the people live good lives.

the issues began around 1500, when political pressures caused europeans to go to america, and later in 1800 with the industrial revolution.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago

Remind me when Gallileo lived?

Galileo di Vincenzo Bonaiuti de' Galilei (15 February 1564 – 8 January 1642), commonly referred to as Galileo Galilei [...]

why?

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

should be happening with gen z and alpha too, but gen z has more right wingers than previous generations, due to significant propaganda.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 21 hours ago

it's not all propaganda. there's significant instability. gen Z can't find a job. the old ways don't work for them anymore. "right-wing" just means "without a plan to trust in", IMO.

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[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

Lmao because it's horse shit that's why

Source: me, a 37-yo exmormon who was all-in, true believer, until his mid 20s.

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