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[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 days ago

We should welcome an Iranian bomb. Honestly, it's what the Middle East really needs to bring it to stability.

The biggest destabilizing force in the Middle East is Israel. They're a destabilizing force because they're an expansionist nuclear-armed power with no hard borders. Their borders aren't actually fixed; they're in a decades-long process to slowly expand them. For those who forget, Israel's MO is to:

  1. Destabilize border regions of neighboring countries and foster the creation of militant groups within them.
  2. Use those destabilized regions as justification for military occupation of the territory of neighboring countries.
  3. Announce the creation of border "buffer zones."
  4. Allow their civilians to move into what is supposed to be a DMZ-like buffer zone.
  5. Again have civilians in the line of fire of militants, demanding further border expansion.

Israel has been expanding like this for decades, and there's no end in site. Their immediate neighbors are all to weak and destabilized to resist this process of slow Israeli lebensraum. The people in the Middle East are rightly afraid that they'll be next under the Israeli boot, and they'll find themselves reduced to the plight of the Gazans.

Israel is out of control. It's an expansionist military power hellbent on gobbling up its neighbors. The reason they're able to get away with this is because they have nuclear weapons. No Arab nation can invade them without the threat of being nuked in return. Israel uses its nuclear arsenal to conquer its neighbors.

Another nuclear power is desperately needed in the region to hold them in check. A nuclear Iran would serve this role well. They wouldn't be able to wipe Israel off the map, as that would result in them getting nuked in return. What a nuclear-armed Iran can do is to finally put a check on Israel's endless military expansion. We need powers that can stand up to the Israelis as equals and say, "no. Your borders are fucking big enough. You're not taking one more square meter of land."

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 8 points 2 days ago

As much as I agree that Israel is a destabilizing force and that you have their MO fairly spot on, Israel doesn't seem to be using its nuclear arsenal as a deterrent for invasion. They don't have to, they have significant conventional forces with US backing, making invasion nigh-impossible anyway. That's how it went in the past at least with the various regional wars.

I'm not sure an Iranian bomb would stabilize much if anything. Israel sees it as a direct existential threat and will stop at nothing to prevent or disable such a weapon. Iran has also repeatedly threatened to use it on Israel offensively, which doesn't really bode well for peace either. Suppose Iran does lob a bomb at Israel, how would they respond? Or what if Israel strikes first? I don't trust either party to be reasonable and responsible here tbh.

Iran can't use the weapon to threaten Israel as you say, because it'd be an empty threat. Iran can't nuke Israel without getting nuked right back. Israel knows this, so they can continue their expansions just fine.

MAD doctrine prevents nuclear wars from breaking out, but as we have been seeing recently it doesn't prevent conventional wars.

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[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

Iran needs nukes to defend itself from a nuclear armed aggressor. Everyone needs nukes for that reason. Greenland needs nukes to protect itself from the US.

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

Yeah after ukraine, i don't think anyobe else will ever make that mistake again.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

Probability of nuclear war rises with number of states having nukes. It's best to keep that number as low as possible, so I would not think it wise for Greenland to have nukes. It would not be a sin for Iran to have them, though, given Iran's allies aren't exactly offering a nuclear umbrella.

[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

That is the conventional wisdom. Wisdom written by people with nukes who can't stop bullying everyone else.

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[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

best to keep the number low

Yeah it would be cool if Ukraine was a positive example of what happens when you surrender your nuclear weapons.

How about we all just agree to glass any religious fanatics, especially ethnostates, that get their hands on the things?

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[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 13 points 2 days ago

What's with these weird imaginary articles? The media has talked enough about their nukes, western youtube is filled with documentaries and western wiki has detailed info on vela incident and other related information, not even talking about the fact that I, a westerner, learned about Israel's nukes from western media. Idiocy.

As an example: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-secret-nuclear-arsenal

[-] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
  • racism
  • white supremacy
  • imperialism
  • judeo-christian values
  • western civilization
  • only democracy in the middle east

take your pick

Israel violates international laws and has been since 1948, invades its neighbours and commits genocide, and western media still portrays it as a victim.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

being persecuted for decades/centuries priors helps shield them from any criticism, because they can claim anti-semitism every time.

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[-] sudo@programming.dev 122 points 3 days ago

Because then the US any every other IAEA signatory would be obligated to sanction Israel which would be the end of Israel's economy.

No news media dares mention it because they have no proof and would both loose any insider access and get buried in libel cases.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Forced by who? The Republican Congress would likely say Iran deserved it, and even if they didn't Trump would dismantle any group the executive branch is supposed to use to enforce them as he was pushing for with Russia .

Their biggest trading partner is China .. not sure what they would do

[-] kayky@thelemmy.club 21 points 3 days ago

It has nothing to do with a 'republican' congress.

Democrats wouldn't stand up to Israel either and you're delusional if you think otherwise.

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[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 17 points 3 days ago

Plus they killed the last people who were telling.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago

I think the West has already demonstrated that they're perfectly happy to just ignore obligations like that, as evidenced by them all refusing to inforce the arrest warrant against Netanyahu.

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[-] carotte 45 points 3 days ago

because they’re trying to manufacture consent for a war with Iran

[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Why won't the mainstream media of the Western bloc, a well known propaganda apparatus that will always spin things in favour of capitalists and Western imperialism, mention Israel's (a Western colonial project) nukes? Gee, I wonder why. 🤔😅

[-] idriss@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago

Everyone would rather circle around the answer

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[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Now this is a classic lemmy world salad

In an oligarchy, corporate media is state media.

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 days ago

MSM has talked about Israel's nukes. Can't remember which channel it was, but yesterday they were doing a comparison between Israel's and Iran's offense & defense capabilities.

[-] maccentric@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago
[-] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 9 points 3 days ago

mainstream media?

e.g. all of them

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[-] CtrlAltDefeat@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

Everyone's got them but nobody uses them. So do they really need them or just need to convince other countries that they have them.

[-] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 6 points 2 days ago

not every country has a nuclear arsenal

[-] CtrlAltDefeat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Why not? Everyone should keep a nuke in their basement just in case

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

It's my uhh hunting tactical nuke. I use it when I need to blast 40-60 wild hogs in 5 milliseconds

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[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago
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[-] kayky@thelemmy.club 17 points 3 days ago

Because Israel has a disproportionate amount of control over the media.

[-] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

The world ends because a bunch of elderly white dudes want to measure dicks. Yay!

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