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[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Ngl this mene unnecesarily divides people more than anything.

No socialists and "tankies" I know IRL don't deny Uyghur genocide, general opinion is "Conflict between the Chinese government and Uyghur groups exist but US media exaggerates it for clickbait articles too."

Similar with Israel. Democrats mostly say "I hate the Iran's government for their legal system but still doesn't justify civilians dying." Nobody is congratulating Israel on "standing up for gay rights" or some shit.

Also ask the other group how they feel about global warming or education system sometime.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Chinese communists certainly deny the Uyghur genocide.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

No socialists and "tankies" I know IRL don't deny Uyghur genocide, general opinion is "Conflict between the Chinese government and Uyghur groups exist

MLs in lemmy absolutely deny anything bad is happening to Uyghurs.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This isn't about IRL. This is about the disinformation that bad actors spread in online communities.

You also have a selection bias. You have friends with similar political views because you distance yourself from people you disagree with, either physically or just through avoiding "sensitive" topics. I've personally disconnected from some friends because they didn't like it when I brought up Biden's historic support of Israel. I still voted for him and Harris over Trump, but that wasn't good enough for them.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

No socialists and “tankies” I know IRL don’t deny Uyghur genocide, general opinion is “Conflict between the Chinese government and Uyghur groups exist but US media exaggerates it for clickbait articles too.”

Socialists in real life? Probably not. Tankies? Yes. They all do.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago

As expected, tankies came out in drove to whitewash Uyghur genocide 😂

There are far too many complaints and eyewitness to hide the grievances from the Uyghurs and CCP's mistreatment of them.

[-] FundMECFSResearch 86 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Me posting this meme with the full knowledge that it might make it to “All” and generate a shitshow of a comment section

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

posting anti-tankie and anti-electoralism stuff in an Anarchism comm is one of the easiest way to generate infinite salt.

[-] Goldholz 3 points 2 days ago

It did. Be proud

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago

You're my hero

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[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 days ago

There is significant politicization of genocide declarations. They are all declared by fascist US empire and its slave controlled democracy colonies. There is very obvious extensive video evidence of extermination policies for Palestinians.

China responded to 2014 terrorist attacks with education and job creation programs. Xinxiang has had decent prosperity and population growth compared to other Chinese provinces despite a BDS policy from US controlled empire. The "technical genocide" accusation is based on a handful of Uyghur women with 4+ children who somehow all got to the UK, and claimed to now be sterile. Uyghurs had historically been exempt from Chinese one child policy.

Political demonism happens independently of facts. There are historical tensions in Xinxiang between Uyghur/muslim majority and relatively more prosperous Han minority, but Chinese policies are far more egalitarian than Alabama policies with much higher inequality. China has made the most humanist response to terrorism in history of civilization, even if it is not above criticism.

[-] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I would love a source on the Uyghurs that isn't Adrain Zenz. He is the* Fash behind the "Victims of Communism Memorial Fund".

All sources eventually point back to him in our Western Media, and its fucking disgusting.

(Edit: he is one of the Fash behind actual Nazi Propaganda Smuggling)

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

i think it is a great idea to build a "victims of communism" memorial so people can step outside to the victims of capitalism memorial.

[-] MigratingApe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 4 days ago

This instance has made me realize that I am an anarchist. What a strange world… No regrets, thank you guys.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 36 points 4 days ago

Hell yeah welcome to the struggle.

Just remember you don’t need to agree with every mainstream anarchist take to call yourself an anarchist. That’s the best part and one of many things that set this movement a cut above other leftist movements.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 points 3 days ago

I just don't think we're meant to live in large numbers tbh.

You take the average opinion of 200 million people, apply it to everyone, and nobody will be happy with it.

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[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 17 points 3 days ago

Every day you wake up in the morning you can open up your phone and check new videos of murdered and mutilated children in Palestine at the hands of Israel.

You can go on a google search to find images of the 1989 Tiananmen protest and the violence that took place, very gore stuff. We're talking 1989, most cameras were analog, bulky and visible, and required professional developing afterwards. As censored as that's been in China, you can still find plenty of photo evidence of violence in and against the protests.

Yet, in 2025, somehow, in the smartphone era, when almost literally every Chinese adult citizen carries a camera in their pocket with internet access (and widespread non-prosecuted access of VPNs in China to bypass the great firewall), there isn't a shred of photographic evidence of violence against the Uyghur people. The claims start on 2019-2020, and in FIVE YEARS, it hasn't been possible to capture photographic evidence of the harrowing genocide?

[-] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 20 points 3 days ago

I googled it and found a literal trove of evidence.

Here's a starting point since it's eluded you for so long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Police_Files

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 7 points 3 days ago

How is this evidence of genocide? This is evidence for the existence of correction camps (which you can obviously criticise) during a very concrete period of time in Xinjiang over the span of a few years, not evidence of genocide

[-] 9bananas@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

genocide, by definition, includes the erasure of a cultural group.

these camps are purpose built to erase a specific culture through "re-education". that is genocide.

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

these camps are purpose built to erase a specific culture through "re-education"

Then why did the camps close after the few years it took for the counter-terrorism campaign to work? Why does Xinjiang have a regional government, with its chairman being an Uyghur man called Erkin Tuniyaz? Why are there above 100 Islamic associations in Xinjiang with imams teaching theology and Arabic?

[-] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago

This was the point where you moved the goalposts and revealed you're not willing to discuss in good faith.

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

Have you read the picture which makes this post? It literally revolves around the word "genocide". Who's moving the goalposts here by saying "well maybe it's not a genocide but there's been some extent of police state during a counter-terrorism campaign"?

[-] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago

You're correct, that is what the meme is referencing.

However, I responded to your statement attempting to deny photographic evidence of violence.

14 independent sources; yet you still are denying the evidence and moving goalposts.

This is what you wrote as of this comment:

Yet, in 2025, somehow, in the smartphone era, when almost literally every Chinese adult citizen carries a camera in their pocket with internet access (and widespread non-prosecuted access of VPNs in China to bypass the great firewall), there isn’t a shred of photographic evidence of violence against the Uyghur people.

It seems like some evidence of violence against them exists, and has been corroborated by multiple sources.

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

"14 independent sources", none of which provides photographic evidence of violence? These "leaks" are mostly reports in Chinese that you have to trust have been translated accurately and unbiasedly by western political actors, not "pictures of people in concentration camps".

I also mentioned multiple times the genocide in the comment you're quoting, and you're choosing to overfocus on the single time I didn't.

[-] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So you're acknowledging that the actions in China against Uighurs also amount to genocidal?

I also mentioned multiple times the genocide in the comment you’re quoting, and you’re choosing to overfocus on the single time I didn’t.

I'm glad we're in agreement. It seemed you were trying to make a different point.

Given the sheer volume and consistency of evidence from multiple independent sources, it is difficult to dispute the compelling case of widespread human rights violations.

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

No, reported violations of human rights during a reduced and specific timeframe in a counter- terrorist campaign accompanied by massive investment in economic development, dont amount to genocidal.

volume and consistency of evidence from multiple independent sources

That is if you swallow CIA propaganda only

[-] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago

Calling the comprehensive evidence of human rights abuses against Uighurs 'CIA propaganda' dismisses the work of:

  • Independent UN investigators who found credible allegations of crimes against humanity.
  • Respected international human rights organizations that conduct meticulous, on-the-ground investigations and collect survivor testimonies.
  • Academic scholars who publish peer-reviewed research.
  • Journalists from around the world who have risked their safety to document these realities.

These are not government intelligence agencies. Their findings are based on a volume and consistency of evidence that stands up to scrutiny, regardless of how inconvenient it may be to label it as such. The narrative of 'economic development' doesn't negate systematic human rights abuses.

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

These are not government intelligence agencies

They don't have to be to show western anti-chinese bias.

Yes, I dismiss the Amnesty International research based on lies, a.k.a. "anonymous interviews". Yes, I dismiss western-based analysis of translations of compiled gigabytes of Chinese documents. Yes, I dismiss "scholar" work based on the west.

Would you trust a Chinese university's analysis of, say, democracy in the US? Would you trust a Chinese NGO in its analysis of the treatment of Ukrainians in the ongoing conflict?

[-] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Not a shred of photographic evidence

That is misleading. Why did authorities try to stop BBC from filming?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=t28nnviKar4

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Because BBC is a British state media company, and it has motives to create anti-china propaganda. The EU famously forbade access to Russian media after the invasion of Ukraine, do you think this is to prevent the outside world from seeing the horrors of the EU? Is there Chinese state media presence in US congress press releases?

Again: how does China stop every single Uyghur adult from taking pics with their smartphone? How did they not manage in 1989 with a reduced number of analog cameras which would need professional development, but they can manage in the smartphone era where a Chinese citizen can upload a picture on the internet 10 seconds after taking it?

[-] LwL@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Except there's evidence, and not just satellite photos of internment camps. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hacked-chinese-government-files-gives-new-insights-on-the-mass-detention-of-ethnic-uighurs

You can continue to hang onto some conspiracy-theory-esque logic of "but it doesn't make sense", or you can face reality. There are enough hurdles to getting a photo on the internet and then noticed by the wider public that it's entirely explainable.

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 6 points 3 days ago

Source of your article:

The files were leaked to Adrian Zenz

If you still take seriously anything coming from Adrian Zenz, chairman of the Victims of Communism Memorial Association and rabid Christian conservative, it's your fault

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 37 points 4 days ago

Tankies: handing out "genocide denial" bans for calling Ukraine a genocide.

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 13 points 3 days ago

You can simultaneously condemn the invasion of Ukraine and understand that false claims of genocide are harmful against people suffering genocide

[-] socsa@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago

Russia has been credibly accused off displacing local populations, seizing homes, mass torture and sexual violence against civilians and abduction of children in occupied territories. There are numerous examples of Russian politicians stating openly that they seek to exterminate Ukrainian identity.

The only argument that Russia is not engaging in large scale genocide is that Ukraine has prevented them from doing so by force.

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 6 points 3 days ago

None of the instances of what you're claiming have been disproportionate compared to any modern conflict if you actually run the numbers, and if you compare to western-backed wars such as the invasion of Iraq, the numbers pale in comparison. War is horrifying, and you can heavily criticise the invasion of Ukraine, but calling it a genocide simply doesn't hold when you look at the numbers.

[-] 9bananas@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

the numbers don't matter nearly as much as the intent.

"merely" planning a murder is illegal, same with genocide.

there's this weird idea that an event can only ever be a genocide after all the victims have died. that's not true, and never has been.

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

the numbers don't matter nearly as much as the intent

But how do you judge intent without numbers? I do believe the US didn't have a genocidal intent in the invasion of Iraq, and didn't commit genocide, but the ratio of civilians to military who died is disproportionately high compared to that of Ukraine invasion by Russia. I'm sure you can go to fox news of 2003 and find right wing talking heads, journalists and politicians talking of all Iraqi as terrorists to be eliminated. You can do the same for some deranged Russian nationalist politicians and journalists. How, other than numerically and by policy, can you judge the intent? I can determine Israel is enacting genocide against Palestinians because of the horrendous murder rates of civilians, including through forced starvation and besiegement, because of indiscriminate bombing against civilian infrastructure (which, like it or not, is rare in the invasion of Ukraine in comparison with even the invasion of Iraq), etc.

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[-] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 33 points 4 days ago

Don't even have to be an anarchist, just have to have at least partial hearing and/or vision.

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[-] Val 2 points 2 days ago

Bruh, just bruh....

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