This is incredible.
"small protest, one of the smallest. My speeches are bigger, much biggly"
-turnip
It would be more incredible if those people were armed and swarming the studios of radical fascist media and beating the hell out of pro-trump talking heads.
Standing around waving signs and cheerleading shitty chants does nothing and will be forgotten in a week.
History has overwhelmingly shown that non-violence is more successful than violence. You do you.
I don’t think that’s true. There were violent riots accompanying every major social change in at least recent history.
And famously, it took an entire fucking war to end slavery in the United States.
it took an entire fucking war to end slavery in the United States.
Well... how's that going?
Well I mean, slavery is still illegal. Black people are able to vote, hold office, own property, etc.
There’s still a lot of social injustice to solve but there’s been a lot of progress, albeit slow.
The lesson is to not take your boot off of the vanquished evil.
Often it's the shadow of violence that is most effective. A peaceful protest, that is safe enough for families etc is perfect for snowballing. Focused action and the threat of counter violence keeps the government in check.
Too violent, and the support collapsed, letting the police simply overwhelm it. Too passive, and the whole thing can be ignored.
The Irish troubles are a good example. Protests and marches showed popular support. While the Sinn Fein party provided a political face. The IRA then made sure that proper attention was paid. All 3 were required to achieve their goals.
The more I learn about history, the more I learn that violence changed things 99% of the time since before the Roman Empire.
I was there!
Wow don't dox yourself man
Did the arrow taunt you specifically for a reason? Did you steal its tater casserole?
I wondered if that was you! I knew you looked familiar!
I'm proud of you.
are you a beautiful tree
I found Waldo!
I was a Why don't you fucking protest!?-guy here on Lemmy and I am not, anymore. It takes time to organize. This is beautiful, I'm proud of you. Keep it up!
The media doesn’t cover protests. Most local channels are owned by mega corps like Sinclair.
The problem is that information outlets are owned by bad actors.
I'm just glad there was a protest I didn't hear about after the fact. Or like the morning of.
I heard that the protests in MN were cancelled, which seems like a cut and dry tactical misstep from protest organizers to me, but I haven't been able to find a lot of details.
This doesn't look cancelled.
Anyone on the ground know more details?
According to various news reports, the suspect's car had a manifesto, a hit list of people to target (one report said the list had a bunch of politicians, another said the list had a bunch of pro-choice activists), and apparently the car also had a bunch of No Kings signs in it. I'm guessing they thought he was going to slip into a protest and try to hurt people?
Something important to know about the two people who were shot: until her death, Melissa Hortman was a member of the Minnesota State House of Representatives; and John Hoffman is a member of the Minnesota State Senate. Both were Democrats.
And up until they were shot, the Minnesota House had 134 Members: 66 Republicans vs 67 Democrats (with one seat empty to be filled later). And the Minnesota Senate had 67 members: 33 Republicans and 34 Democrats. If the assassinations had both been successful, both chambers would have been tied. As it is, they're only saying that Hoffman is "stable", but there are no further details.
I'd heard it was over flyers in a car but I was hoping there was more to it than that. That's a pretty flimsy threat to be capitulating to when we're fighting murderous fascists, and sets a bad precedent.
I was not aware of how thin dem majorities were. That's very important context, thank you.
I was there. The organizers were sending updates to anyone who RSVPed. I don't like the idea of RSVPing for something like this, but I did. They announced before the event that they had cancelled any elected officials who were planning to speak. They also said something like, "If you are told that the event is cancelled, that is just a rumor."
Several officials did speak and they were pretty epic, honestly. I don't know if they announced the cancellation as a red herring and had everyone speak as planned, or if the speakers I saw were the late replacements. IMO this was a much bigger crowd than the first Hands Off protest.
Interesting. I'm in small town VA, and moved house today, and am pretty keenly feeling frustration that I couldn't show up today. Searching for local actions, I landed on the base nokings.org page at some point, where there was a bright red banner saying that MN events that weren't already started were canceled at Tim Walz' recommendation, because the assassin was still at large. I can't say what time I saw that, I looked for news several times today
They announced before the event that they had cancelled any elected officials who were planning to speak. They also said something like, "If you are told that the event is cancelled, that is just a rumor."
Ah, thank you! That makes a lot more sense to me now.
I know a bunch of people who went in st. Paul, and in Duluth there was definitely people out with signs. Can't cancel freedom yo!
I was gonna go but heard they were cancelled too because of the shootings this morning
We all knew about the stay home advisory. A lot of folk were only more determined to gather, and there was a general understanding that if there was an attack, it would throw gasoline on the movement as a whole. Crowd energy is weird.
Plus I spent three hours making my sign.
More people visible at a cancelled protest than some ego-stroking event that happened in DC...
And this is after they "cancelled" it.
Can I get this side by side with trump’s inaugurations please
Was this the one I've been hearing was cancelled?
This is the picture I've been scrolling for. Thank you.
Now do it again.
Republicans should be terrified at this point. The protests are peaceful ... for now.
I do see people's point about America just being such a passive or incredibly violent country. But, when I went out to the protest, I did notice that you had anarchist, grannies and liberals in the same setting. So we gotta watch and see what happens over time. But I mean, I think collective suffering is going to push people to the edge. Which eventually will awaken something, I hope. In the meantime, I have my eyes set on Europe. At least the cheeseburger kings bday party was an absolute flop. You can see it in his face. Trump is such a little baby bitch.
Yes, there you go! Good job, USA!
As someone now living in Europe, I find the US protests mild and small. When Europeans protest, they protest. I mean, my native Greece saw a massive protest in Feb, well over a million went out, in a country of ~9 million. This is how you do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm3vEKMnA-8
You're basically watching a whole country (re)learn how to do this. Most of us have had it good for a long time, up until very recently. You're seeing a lot of first-timers in every one of these protests, as the movement grows. Give it time.
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