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original post: https://mk.moth.zone/notes/a8zer7ypj6uv02ka
The magic words for ebay:
off lease thin client lot
love you!
oh wow, I really wish I had known that last time I was looking for mini PCs for my cluster, I'm saving that now. Thank you!
What does this combination of words mean?
"off lease" means they were leased out to corporations and have been returned and are now being sold.
"thin client" is a thin client. familiarity is assumed on linux@programming.dev
"lot" means the seller is selling more than one of 'em.
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I once did some research & measurements about power consumption; my takeaway was that as soon as the screen is off any ol' laptop (with the charger constantly attached) consumes pretty much the same amount of energy as a RasPi with identical storage attached.
I used a 2008 hp consumer laptop as a server between 2015 and 2021.
Not my experience. I've used a bunch of stuff, and I can tell you a RasPi is what, 10W under load and 4 idling? A repurposed laptop (with a dedicated GPU but screen off) was 11W idling and 45W under load, and a repurposed desktop was about 40W idling and 120W under load.
You maaaay be able to find some laptop with an efficient CPU and iGPU that gets into the realm of a RasPi, and I guess the "identical storage" qualifier helps if you're adding a bunch of heavy storage to the Pi to bring total consumption up and lower the percentage gap, but my real world, real time measurements don't quite match that.
That said, if you already have one of those things and not the other the power consumption difference is fairly small in absolute numbers. You may save more money by buying a slighlty better lightbulb for your living room lamp. Definitely recycle whatever you have lying around that will still do the job.
Your pi is idling at 4w? That seems quite high. Does it have a nvme drive attached or something?
My napkin math is similar, although I do wonder about transcoding machines where the old one is using CPU vs newer solutions in the GPU.
Well Rpi is out of the question right away then right?
Used an old eee701 as a server for a fair while, pretty sure that was equal or less power usage than the Pis at the time.
In my experience rPi was terrible as a local server. The micro SD cards would fail regularly and I just got tired of handling backups and restoring them. I switched to a set up box type tiny PC and it's stable as rock in comparison. Old laptop would be even better for that, shame I didn't think about it.
Net boot ftw, no sd card necessary.
It's too much power draw for me.
This. Even a cheap alibaba n100 would be way better on Power than pretty much any laptop.
Lenovo thinkcentre tiny gang rise up!
I even use it as my daily driver (bumped RAM & storage), running Lemmy & Tenfingers plus all the usual jazz.
I will have to replace my old NAS one day because it's super old, I'll probably just chuck some drives into a think centre tower or something... I wonder how long time it will take before the electricity consumption would have made it cheaper to buy one of those increasingly expensive NASes...
Tenfingers needs to work on their SEO; I searched for exactly that and most of the first few results were 10fastfingers, which is exactly what came to my mind when I read your post! Even the first one that seemed to be what you're referencing was about how to install it, rather than what I was trying to find: what it is.
Sounds like a nifty tool, I'll have to investigate it. Thanks for introducing me to it.
For anyone who, like me, was unfamiliar but curious: https://www.tenfingers.org/introduction.html
Thank you, yes I (I'm the creator) have ironed out the last large potential known problem (a specific type of mitm attack) and have been a bit overwhelmed by ordinary life lately. I'm working on what you might hint at, a less technical introduction to tenfingers. Basically it works like a decentralised online file system where you give the reading rights (to anyone or a select few) how you see fit. FOSS, encrypted & so on, more info in the above link :-)
BTW don't hesitate to hit me up if there are any questions!
Cheers
Hello! To be clear, first, this is all subjective. My opinion doesn't mean much.
However, if you're inclined to consider my opinion, the intro page was largely fine. Yes, it could be improved, but so could pretty much any intro/about page. I, an amateur, wouldn't consider that my priority were I in your position.
The problem I had was that you didn't show up when I searched for the exact name of your project. I have never done SEO so I can't specifically suggest improvements in that regard ... Except that your project name is fairly generic and not really related to the function of the software. Unless you get big, people are going to have trouble finding you. You should go for something more specific or at least unique.
Otherwise, as I said, at a glance your tool looks pretty cool. I wish you luck with it.
But your opinion does count! Thank you again.
This ten+ years project is coming to fruition, and I will have to switch gears away from dorky coding and, as you say, promoting the project. I'm a lousy promoter :-)
The name officially comes from the ten "fingers" holding your data (like when your PC is turned off, (*up to) ten others serve it), and unofficially from the reaction to five eyes (the spy thing Snowden uncovered). Finger in the eye sort of, as it circumvents the spying on people and data.
Time to promote I guess!
I personally hadn't heard the ten fingers metaphor - it makes sense but I wasn't familiar. I do know of the five eyes but likely wouldn't have made the connection.
If you are taking my thoughts into consideration: no matter how meaningful your project name is, it doesn't matter if it's not unique. Now that I know what it means, I can appreciate it, but (until it gets big) I still need to look it up. If you called it something like "Avoid the Ten Fingers" or "Ten Fingers Privacy" it would be a lot easier to find (note that I don't recommend either of those names, but you're welcome to them if you find them palatable).
I'm thinking of "ungoogleable." My best example of this used to be the band "The The" but I guess Google cottoned on to this because they're the first result now.
Anyway, I've never done any promoting of any kind. Please do not take my advice as any kind of expertise. Good luck with your promoting!
Thanks again!
The full name is the Tenfingers sharing protocol (& implementation), but I think it's not high on the search lists because it's kind of unknown, I have now to publish it so that people can test it and start to use it regularly.
I'm thinking of starting off in ask lemmy, to find places where people might want to check it out, lots of smart people around here :-)
My pleasure, hope it helps. Good luck!
If it wasn't for Linux, these old computers would be useless. We need to remind them of that and not buy them for high prices. Beat them fucking prices down into a pulp. Your prices are too high you need to cut it. And not with baking soda but Common Sense. Don't be a thot... Get these prices to drop
I did try, but it was so shit that Linux refused to boot on it.
I'm more inclined to get one of the mini PCs but need a way to get a full size HDD or two in it for Jellyfin.
NVME / M.2 to 6x SATA boards, cheap enough on AliExpress.
I have an x16 PCIE bifurcated to 4 m.2 slots so a theoretical 24 SATA ports. Only one adaptor currently but lots of room to grow.
I have several options here : OrangePI, used Android TV box, mini PC, thin-client and laptop.
currently just installed dual boot Linux on my old mini PC (Celeron 1007U, 8GB RAM, 512GB HDD)
When I think of Raspberry Pi, I think of physical computing and not a server for the use case, which can't be replaced with a laptop.
This is something I've been thinking about this week actually. My old laptop has just died, power button just won't do anything, so I've been thinking about what to replace it with. Hoping I can maybe find a tossed out win 10 laptop with the end of life happening soon.
Have you looked at the price of these old dusty ass laptops online? Like, they want a fortune for them. I'm just gonna wait until they're buried in Old Tech and then they eventually start selling them for cheap because I ain't buying that. Orange pis are way too expensive and raspberry pis are just irresponsible. Peaks and valleys, peaks and valleys. All this capitalist innovation, but yet we can't afford it. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
You can also rip apart such a laptop if you really want headless. Otherwise, a screen is pretty handy!
Funny thing is how to get the screen off if you are in a TTY. still not sure how!
Also, there are so many clones out there. I think now we're at maybe around four different brands you can choose from other than Raspberry Pi. And these prices are just inflated, absolutely inflated. Like price gouging. Like nonsense.
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