Stable and prosperous? She started with a civil war and ended by being conquered by Rome. The bit in the middle wasn't stable either.
Getting conquered by Rome is just what you do when you live by their sea.
But yes, it was, all things are relative, and one can't blame the beach for the tsunami.
Getting conquered by Rome was all the rage back then
It looks to be written by Arsinoë IV or maybe even Ptolemy XIV as it refers to «my brother», so it’s probably biased
Was it historians who were saying Cleopatra was sexy or filmmakers?
History was invented by Universal and MGM. According to Universal. Others (Paramount) claim it was invented by Paramount.
3 Antony, on the contrary, like Heracles in paintings where Omphalé is seen taking away his club and stripping off his lion's skin, was often disarmed by Cleopatra, subdued by her spells, 957and persuaded to p339 drop from his hands great undertakings and necessary campaigns, only to roam about and play with her on the sea-shores by Canopus and Taphosiris. 4 And at last, like Paris, he ran away from the battle and sank upon her bosom; although, more truly stated, Paris ran away to Helen's chamber after he had been defeated; but Antony ran away in chase of Cleopatra, and thereby threw away the victory.
Plutarch was a bit of both, but that tendency has definitely existed longer than movies.
Plutarch was a bit of a filmmaker?
He was the 200 ce version of one, anyway.
Nothing to me says 'sexy' quite like your grandad and your great-grandad being the same guy, or your (great * 5)-grandmother / grandfather being one man and woman, when most people have that responsibility spread between 64 people.
Close family. Must have made Christmas easy - having the in-laws round isn't so bad when they're your own blood relatives too.
Ah yes the “family wreath”
Must have made Christmas easy
Quite difficult at the time, actually.
No Cleopatra VI?
Historians haven't been able to definitively conclude whether V and VI were the same person or if VI was a child of V and older sibling to VII by extension.
Small domino: Greek bloodline fuckery.
Middle Domino: Hollywood.
Big domino: Incest porn.
Yeah I can't remember the reasoning / evidence but I do remember reading that Cleopatra was unlikely to have been beautiful or "sexy". IIRC it's indeed because she was likely to have congenital deformities due to inbreeding - much like those of Tutankhamen.
She was extraordinary powerful, well educated, and had a terrifying intellect. Additionally she would have bathed daily which would have been alluring in that era.
That said, there's no shortage of other powerful Egyptian babes, Nefertiti and Hatshepsut come to mind.
Edit: Plutarch the Roman historian said something diplomatic like physical beauty is not her most striking feature. Which, when talking about a ruler, is saying she's ugly.
Nah, it is the other way around. Historians would say those facts, and Hollywood and possibly general media would be the ones saying "sexy".
Don't historians say she probably wasn't sexy? Just super bold which attracted powerful men, who hasn't seen much of that back then.
She was a powerful personality. All the records indicate that she was of seemingly above average beauty standards, but nothing earth shattering.
Instead, it is claimed that her strength of personality is what attracted the powerful men in her life to her.
She had access to creams, ointments and fragrances and good sleep. She also kept ugly ass lady servants to keep the contrast in her favor.
True. She was more seductive and alluring than plain ol sexy (according to my readings).
One theory is that she was a bit odd-looking, but pointing that out would likely result in a painful death, so everybody erred on the side of flattery.
to be fair a weird looking powerful warrior woman would give me a fucking boner of steel
This is basically how half my women ancestors got husbands, as a result I look like someone tried recreating a neanderthal and ended up with a Norse-Gael.
It's because of historians you those things about Cleopatra
I do find it hilarious that we associate sexiness with Cleopatra because of an intensive smear campaign.
we will ruin your reputation by making you the greatest slay queen in human history...
Fr lol she's like a step down from the Greek and Roman goddesses in her reputation, if anything their attempt to smear her put her on a pedestal.
it's funny when one culture misogyny makes their insults fail.
'Cos the romans were so fucked up they literally could not handle being out maneuvered, outsmarted, outstrategised by a woman. So they framed it as "pussy pass"
Wasn’t she actually considered not super attractive at the time? Like not necessarily ugly, but she wasn’t being mistaken for Venus incarnate. It was only later on that the idea of her being super hot because popular right?
There was significant amounts of incest within her family tree, so it's likely that she wasn't that good looking
Powerful women are sexy! Dont need to be crazy hot when you can whisper in my ear, the language of a people you just steam rolled.
OP, you might want to read an actual history book or three.
Have they made any of them into movies?
Yes, Chariots of the Gods. It was made into a series called Stargate. It should be shown in schools IMO
Do those come with a centerfold?
But she really, really wasn't. And she wasn't even Egyptian, she was Macedonia Greek (and it shows).
What can I say, competence is sexy, excellence even moreso
And her nose…
I heard she was even her own mom
Why don't you share these great history memes on historymemes?
All those things are pretty sexy
whoever made this used | instead of I and it makes me crazy
I guess when they say, she bathed in milk, they mean, she bathed in cum?
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