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The first "expert organization" they talk to in this article published a "research study" last year saying DEI policies cause workplace hostility, this is propaganda bullshit
Fucking ridiculous.
I suspect the militarized police with no training and the actual military who also have no de-escalation training might be a bigger influence here then some angry people online.
Well, peaceful protests are being met with abject violence against them. So it stands to reason that when the state makes peaceful protest impossible with the threat of bodily harm for engaging in it, violent resistance becomes inevitable.
Based, keep up the good work 👍
I'll reiterate a comment I made earlier today:
Peaceful protest is only a meaningful choice when violence is also a real option.
Otherwise you're just holding a pointless rally. Might as well show up with handcuffs on already.
Well of course. The far left isn't any better than the far right. It seems the bigger the far right becomes, the bigger the far left becomes.
Ah yes fellow liberal, this is our classic dilemma: do I support people who want to destroy the planet, create an ethnostate, take away all my personal liberties, and kill me and all my friends and family and colleagues, or do I support people who are more zealous than I am about changing society in the direction of the values I loudly claim to hold? /s
(It's not actually a dilemma because liberals always pick the far right.)
Great argument. Just call the other a liberal and now you've won the discussion. Congratulations
Did you actually stop reading at the word "liberal"? Because the actual argument I made was, with only a little bit of sass, that even from a liberal perspective, based on the values that liberals claim to uphold, the far right should be evaluated to be much worse than the far left. And then I remarked that this is not how liberals think because most liberals are two-faced (even if unintentionally so!).
And while there's a small chance you're not a liberal...well, you're walking like a liberal, quacking like a liberal, posting and commenting like a liberal... and we're on .world, so there's gonna be lots of liberals here anyways.
That tends to happen when you start namecalling. People stop hearing the things that you actually want to say because the name calling bears more weight.
People stop hearing the things that you actually want to say because the name calling bears more weight.
Yeah those people are never going to listen anyways. Really, namecalling bears more weight than the entirety of an argument, than the reality of the situation? If not namecalling, they'll make up something, or just admit they never cared.
And while I think that "liberal" should be an insult in 2025, it unfortunately is not.
Yes. Imagine we meet at a train station or something and I say. "Hey, you look like a racist piece of shit, but we're starting a campaign to end world hunger, would like to hear more about it?".
Seems pretty unlikely you wanna hear me out more, right?
And we're on Lemmy. I'm pretty sure " liberal" is a generally acknowledged insult here.
Yes. Imagine we meet at a train station or something and I say. "Hey, you look like a racist piece of shit, but we're starting a campaign to end world hunger, would like to hear more about it?".
Yeah but we're not at a train station. Particularly, we are communicating through text, where you can skim the entire body of the text. Maybe the upcoming text justifies why the author sees me as a racist piece of shit. Maybe I have a blind spot! Or, maybe the author is just a jackass. But now I want to find out.
But like also I think you're missing the forest for the trees? The point was not to say "you're a liberal and you should feel bad about it", it was to critique the point you started with. Namely, the "forest" is that the far right is not morally or materially equivalent to the far right, and to claim otherwise ignores history and the current reality. And I only used the "fellow liberal" framing because liberalism is the default ideology in the Western world, and because it is usually liberals who make points like this. Strike out any usages of the word "liberal" if you really can't look past this point.
And we're on Lemmy. I'm pretty sure " liberal" is a generally acknowledged insult here.
I mean we're on Lemmy.world so I don't know about that 😆. Lot of liberals around here.
I assume you've made a typo and meant to say "the far left morally or materially equivalent to the far right"?
Well first of all, I appreciate this discussion. Second, maybe...?
I for sure can see the pendulum swing the other way. You've got a nazi regime now, we bring out the far left, defeat the nazis, the pendulumswings to the other side, but it swings to far and we suddenly find ourselves in a Stalinistic hellscape.
You can call me a liberal for that. I can see why you'd say that, but I disagree since that's not where we're at. In reality the left are the freedom fighters now. They're the good guys. I'm not a realist though, I'm a dreamer. I failed to communicate that in my original post and that is where I fucked up
And thirdly... yeah I think lemmy.world people know you're trying to insult them when you call them a liberal. I haven't yet met a lemmy.world person who calls themselves a liberal. It's like call a Mexican a "bean eater". No Mexican calls themselves that. It's only other people who call them that.
Yeah that's not what just happened.
Right wing state police kidnapping people in broad daylight
« You know what’s the problem ? Leftist trying to protect people »
Who's talking about protecting people? The article talks about actively encouraging violence and murder, just for the sake of it.
Less the "far" left though. And just extremists being extremists regardless of economic leaning.
I’m sorry, are you lost sir? I believe you’ve stumbled into the enemy camp. /s
No not at all, but I see what you mean. I forgot that you're not allowed to discuss topics that do not conform the hivemind.
But I've kicked the bee's nest now, so I'm the liberal today. It's like when you're in school and you say that you wonder what it's like to kiss a boy and the rest of the week everyone calls you a faggot. Until some other dumb kid does something dumb and they forget about you.
I like to talk about the dark side, think about the dark side, find out what makes the dark side tick. I find comfort in the search for meaning. It's not productive but other than apathy, that's what helps me cope. That's not how this platform works though and sometimes I forget that I should not post in news communities.
Nothing wrong with talking about or looking at the dark side, but that was not how your comment came across. It came across as a “both sides” argument that simply does not hold water.
It’s like saying the confederates and the union both killed people, so they are both bad, completely ignoring that one side was fighting to deny rights to a whole race of people. Both sides are not the same here. The far right are in the wrong, and the only language they seem to understand is brute force.
Any person or group who uses their life to pursue injustice towards others for their race, religion, gender, orientation, or personal identity deserve to rot in hell. Those who send them there or work to slow them down deserve a medal and a thank you.
Yeah I see that now. I fucked it up by phrasing it the way I did. Not the first time that happened. Probably won't be the last either.
There's definitely a very big difference between the far left and the far right, in the sense that one side is the literal nazis and the other the freedom fighters. But there's so much to it. So much dynamic, so much nuance, so much context. It's a difficult topic. It's nazis and not-nazis, sure, but there so much more.
What I meant was that both sides are doing extreme things. Things that shouldn't belong in a world where I want my kids to grow up in. Not the entire big, complex issue. Just this one aspect. Easy, comprehensible, small.
Anyways, it was a dumb remark, shallow, objective, out of context. And I failed to frame it the way I meant it. Just... I'd delete it, but that's not how the Internet works.
Thank you for elaborating. I understand your position better now. To be honest, you sound a lot like my mom does.
I too wish we lived in a world where violent resistance wasn’t necessary, and the powerful people who control us would listen to peaceful activism. That, unfortunately, is an ideal and not our current reality.
In the absence of that, I desire a world where people are brave enough to take risks for what is right, and who aren’t handcuffed by their principles when the times call for action. The protestors who are out there right now are, by and large, those types of people: patriots who are willing to do what is necessary now so your children might be able to achieve the ideal you’ve described later.
It’s like saying the confederates and the union both killed people, so they are both bad, completely ignoring that one side was fighting to deny rights to a whole race of people.
Well said.
Lawl
See, this is what "both sides" actually looks like. Not being angry when democrats sell weapons they know will be used for genocide.
Well of course. The far left isn't any better than the far right.
Lol fuck off
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