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Troops and marines deeply troubled by LA deployment: ‘Morale is not great’
(www.theguardian.com)
deploying military force against our own communities isn’t the kind of national security we signed up for
Then refuse those illegal orders and stand down.
As much as i hate what Trump is doing, I don't expect any enlisted man to refuse orders to go somewhere. The legality of that order is debatable, but following it does not cause any immediate harm. It's not a good risk to take.
Refusal to follow orders will come when the order is so clearly illegal that there can be no question, and when following that order is something that can't be undone. An order to fire into the crowd, for example.
Of course, no such order will be given. I assume we have all seen Andor, yes?
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In what ways are you able and going to support troops who do that to then face court martial? Are you a lawyer willing to go pro bono? Are you willing to house the ones who are discharged, or later released from prison, with few to no job prospects? Do you already or are you planning to donate to service member advocacy groups?
If troops could feel sufficiently supported by the rest of the community when the military's judicial hammer hangs above their head, it may help them gather the courage to do the thing you're suggesting they do.
Most troops signed up to do a job with good benefits and gud-nuff pay and hopefully learn some skills, make lifelong friends, and maybe do some interesting or adventurous things in the process. Few of them are very financially well-set and "standing down" from orders they personally deem illegal could ruin their life. Big decision for 18-25 y/o's to be making and glib comments like "just stand down" kind of gloss over the total psychology of the situation.
https://girightshotline.org/en/military-knowledge-base/conscientious-objection-discharge/
There are programs in place to provide help to troops considering Conscientious Objection. Every single law is up to personal interpretation, so I don't know why you feel the need to emphasize it here. When I was asked to join the military during Bush II, I refused and am proud of that decision. Probably would have made my father proud. Probably would have gotten a lot of respect in my community. Probably would have helped pay for a college degree I wouldn't actually get a job with. But fuck traveling half way across the planet to kill civilians to protect an oil company's profits. If that was an easy decision for me at that age, not violating the rights your own countrymen should be even easier.
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Any military member who is court marshaled has a JAG representing them, just like there is a JAG prosecuting them. A system that gives you someone with far more time to deal with your case than a public defender, and even some private attorneys.
Like the movie A Few Good Men, Tom Cruise is a JAG
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A lot of revolutions begun by the rank&file turning against the hated police, just sayin'.
Imagine how the chickenshit ICE will act if the soldiers start opposing them too. Not so easy to bully someone armed and their friends.
Absolutely, and it’s not just vibes, it’s the oath. They swore to defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. If we are non-violent, we are not a domestic threat. As per The Constitution, the soverign (highest rank in the nation) of the United States are We The People.
Their orders are illegal, thus disobeying them is not insubordination or illegal.
Not just not subordination following them is specifically illegal and historically "I was following orders" has NEVER been justification or gotten anyone off their charges. You follow illegal orders YOU are a criminal as much as your commanding officer.
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They should be troubled. They are breaking their oath on the constitution.
On the other hand, they could easily turn and end tyranny before it really sets in.
In just hoping that ICE is dumb enough to try to arrest and deport one of the Marines in front of their co-workers just like they do with civilians.
Please let this happen everywhere at once. This is the kind of thing we need to get the rank and file in there to stand up to the enemy within. ICE shouldn't be smart enough to wait for their contracts to end and they can do it quietly away from their comrades in arms.
We have a Traitor in the White House that is using the military like his personal toy. It is sickening.
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good start, recognizing that you ARE pawns. Always were. Next step: being strong enough to quit and deal with the court martial.
being strong enough to ~~quit~~ refuse unlawful orders and use your own common sense and basic decency to resolve conflicts in the field and deal with the court martial.
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I hope they live with this shame forever
You hope for immortal troops to occupy us cities? I guess you like a challenge.
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Every military and law enforcement member needs to understand right now that attacking protesters for exercising their First Amendment rights is crossing a line that they can never come back from. I, for one, will always hold it against any MAGA for the rest of my life. They deserve to be mercilessly shunned, ridiculed, and discriminated against for the rest of their miserable, stupid, treasonous lives. I own a business, and I will never hire a MAGA supporter, ever.
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This should be a wakeup call for service members everywhere to plan their exit now before they end up deployed against the homeland too.
Or you can stay in the service and be a sabot in the wheels. Being a shitty soldier will do more to hurt the fascist service than leaving it. Trust me, i was a shitty soldier.
Also being a mole and letting resistance groups know what’s going on
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You got the choice to stand up and say no. No I will not use my weapons on my own fucking people because some geriatric PoS is having a terrible twos tantrum because everyone hates his ass.
Do what's right or be remembered as the ones who did wrong.
They should be troubled.
Please. Please. Please. Come on boys, just read the Constitution, you didn't sign up for this shit.
They should be feeling like shit. They are acting like shit and following unconstitutional orders. Grow a goddamn spine and frag any officers who give you unconstitutional orders.
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How about invading a country halfway around the world that didn't do anything to us?
That should be a great morale booster, historically.
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This bullshit is going to absolutely tank military recruitment numbers.
And also boost retirements of career members who manage and operate the military. Which will be okay with the MAGA Nazis, because eventually they'll have an entire military of followers who will happily kill ANYONE for HitlerPig.
My Dad was a helicopter pilot in the Army, during the late 50s, and wanted to do that for his entire life. Then Vietnam heated up, and he was going to train pilots to go to over there, and might have ended up there himself. Nobody could explain to him why this was happening, and he didn't want to train young men (like himself) to go off and die for a war that nobody could explain, so he quit flying, retired from the military, and got into the insurance game.
I would imagine that a lot of career military are questioning their career paths.
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The person who regularly hates on people who serve using them to attack the people they joined to protect? I can't image why morale would be low.
"I signed up to kill brown people in the middle east, not this"
That's not what the National Guard is for. It's meant to help citizens in times of crisis and defend the nation in case of invasion, not be deployed overseas.
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They are upset that they are witnessing police tear gas their own community members and civilians exercising their 1st amendment rights, yet soldiers cannot use that same weapon against enemies… what does that say?!? STOP GASSING US! Stop with the rubber bullets! We have right and Americans need to stand up and realize this!
If there are no consumers, there is no capitalism! If all essential workers all don't show up ONE DAY… we shutdown America! We
THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, mass organized protests across the nation!!!
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Maybe it's time to stop "just following orders".
Now is the time for malicious compliance
Pawns of political games feel like pawns of political game? No fucking way, at this rate, they will get self-conscience faster than they predict it for ai.
At the largest demonstration since Trump first intervened, last Sunday, the national guard was hemmed into a staging area by Los Angeles police cruisers and played almost no role in crowd control. Since then, its service members have been deployed to guard buildings and federal law enforcement convoys conducting immigration sweeps. The marines, who arrived on Wednesday, are expected to play a similar function, with no powers of arrest.
Jayzuz. What a shit show.
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